Talk:German–Soviet population transfers

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On 15 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved. The result of the discussion was not moved.

On 12 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Nazi–Soviet population transfers to German–Soviet population transfers. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Most of the Baltic Germans were resettled after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was concluded but prior to the occupation; in Latvia, the relevant agreement was with the Ulmanis régime. For a day-by-day account and the texts of the agreements with the Latvian government, see Great Migration of Germans, September - October 1939. --Pēteris Cedriņš 22:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Article seems to be a WP:SYN. Claims really unseen even before -

reciprocal transfer of ethnic German and Russian people's to each other's countries under Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact provisions

, signed on August 23, 1939, Mixed date and territory

Generalplan Ost appeared before it appearence and 1942 given as 1940
Independent Baltic States 1939/1940 events given as part of Nazi–Soviet population transfers

Actual document:

Confidential Protocol
Moscow, September 28, 1939.
The Government of the USSR shall place no obstacles in the way of Reich nationals and other persons of German descent residing in its sphere of influence if they desire to migrate to Germany or to the German sphere of influence. It agrees that such removals shall be carried out by agents of the Government of the Reich in coopera- tion with the competent local authorities and that the property rights of the emigrants shall be protected.
A corresponding obligation is assumed by the Government of the German Reich in respect to the persons of Ukrainian or White Russian descent residing in its sphere of influence. 1
For the Government By authority of the
of the German Reich : Government, of the USSR :
v. REBBENTROP W. MOLOTOW

Strange - no "Russians" mentioned.

Even more than 80000 of Jews expelled to Soviet territory from "German sphere of influence" does not appeared at the article. Later most of them were relocated farther East and they constitited 1/4 of the 320 K of deported former Polish citizen figure in 1940 from West Ukraine and West Belarus:(Jo0doe (talk) 10:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Tens of thousands of ethnic Germans and ethnic Russians"? Large numbers of Germans from Latvia etc were of course sent to the Vaterland, but who were those "Russians" supposedly sent from the German-occupied Poland to the USSR? The treaty mentions persons of "Ukrainian or White Russian descent" - but how many ethnic Ukrainians and Belorussians were actually found in the German-occupied part of Poland, and how many of those were in fact sent by the Germans to the USSR? (I am not saying that none were, but I am genuinely curious if such an event actually took place - and I would appreciate appropriate sources being added!) Vmenkov (talk) 00:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Edits which may have introduced POV language needing review

Please see these two edits (one is grammatical changes to the other). I'm not sure myself if they (mostly the first) have introduced POV language into the article. Also, "hundreds of thousands of ethnic Germans" was changed to "millions". That doesn't seem right to me. If anyone can review this, that would be appreciated. Thanks, DesertPipeline (talk) 07:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No proposed new title (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi–Soviet population transfers → ? – Nazi? Eurohunter (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why move? What’s wrong with the current title? —Michael Z. 12:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi–Soviet population transfers → German–Soviet population transfers – Nazi? Maybe "Nazi–Communist population transfers" (joke)? It was German–Soviet population transfers. Eurohunter (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter - Communist will not work, but I'll support German–Soviet population transfers in line with already existing German–Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty - GizzyCatBella🍁 19:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GizzyCatBella: Part "Nazi–Communist" was a joke. Eurohunter (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

🙂 👍 - GizzyCatBella🍁 19:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The current title is a false parallel. "Nazi" as meaning "of Nazi Germany" should be avoided. Srnec (talk) 00:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rreagan007 (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support for German-Soviet, not Nazi-Communist. Garnet Moss (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support as an improvement, but wouldn’t a more specific and accurate title be something like German–Soviet deportations, like other articles[1] about forcible population transfers and ethnic cleansing operations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzajac (talk • contribs) 17:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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