Talk:Nawabs of Bengal

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Date	Process	Result
August 20, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
December 8, 2015	Good article reassessment	Kept
November 11, 2020	Good article reassessment	Delisted

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Thine Antique Pen (public) (talk · contribs) 12:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I shall review this article. Thine Antique Pen (public) 12:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images

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Changing to h3 heading! --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All other images are good. Thine Antique Pen 16:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some observations

To start with, the articles needs to be moved to Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidbad. The ampersand is not acceptable in the title, per WP:AMPERSAND.
The article begins with a completely wrong sentence, that the nawabs were rulers of Bengal from 1740 to 1969. Are you kidding? India became independent in 1947. Even befor that Bengal was under the Britsh crown. The nawabs can not be rulers during this time. I do not know what exact official roles they played, but definitely they were not rulers. May be they acted as jamindars or something like that under the British. The ruling part perhaps ended with the battle of Plassey. So please clarify and use appropriate terms.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I may fix the problems. Tamravidhir(২০১২) 10:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Tamravidhir(২০১২) 11:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not resolved. I do not think they were rulers of Bengal even under the British rule. if you have reference, please provide it. I do not know about the Nawab's status before 1857, but after that the Bengal area came under the direct control of the British Crown, so Nawabs were not rulers anymore after this. Even for their ruling status before 1857, you need to provide reference. And what exact area wea ctually under them? The whole Bengal? Or just around Murshidabad?--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: Bengal was a province of the British during the British Raj. During the partition of Bengal (1905–1911), a new province, Assam and East Bengal was created as a Lieutenant-Governorship. In 1911, East Bengal was reunited with Bengal, and the new provinces in the east became: Assam, Bengal, Bihar and Orissa. After the rebellion of 1857 the power to rule was passed over to the British Crown. Administrative control of India came under the prestigious Indian Civil Service which had administrative control over all districts outside the princely states. So Nawabs of Bengal were still the rulers of Bengal but they followed the system of Dual Government. And it has been well mentioned in the article that the Nawabs of Bengal ruled over Bengal, Bihar and Orissa while the Nawabs of Murshidabad ruled over Murshidabad. At last I would say that after finding reliable sources I would surely add them as soon as possible. Thank you. Tamravidhir(২০১২) 12:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bengal (section)

Last two sentences are unreferenced. Please add references. Thine Antique Pen (public) 13:38, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Tamravidhir(২০১২) 14:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History before the Nawabs' rule (section)

Rule over Bengal in BC: last sentence is unreferenced Done
Ilyas Shahi dynasty: missing a full stop at the end of the last sentence Done
Mughal Empire and others: last sentence in paragraph 1 is unreferenced Done
Mughal Empire and others: entire second paragraph is unreferenced Done
Emergence of the Nawab of Bengal: space needs to be added after ref #26 Done by the way it's ref #29 not ref #26
Emergence of the Nawab of Bengal: ref required at end. Done

History during the Nawabs' rule (section)

Dynasties: first paragraph is unreferenced Done
Under the Mughals: no references at all
Maratha expeditions: looks good Thank you
Under British Rule: looks good Thank you
Decline of the Nawab of Bengal: looks good Thank you
Emergence of the Nawab of Murshidabad: last sentence in first paragraph is unreferenced. Done

List of the Nawabs of Bengal (chronologically) (section)

Please remove the reference from the title, and include in a header in the table. Done

List of the Nawabs of Murshidabad (chronologically) (section)

Please add a reference. Done

Overall

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A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
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B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Good job! Passed. Thine Antique Pen 11:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A big big

Thank you!!!! Tamravidhir(২০১২) 11:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved, lacking any clear opposition. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad → Nawabs of Bengal – This has been discussed for a long time, but no action has been made. The Nawabs of Bengal were the powerful independent rulers of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa. The Nawabs of Murshidabad were their descendants who were not rulers, but simply a wealthy aristocratic family. The article at present makes it seem like both are the same thing, when in fact they are two different entities which do not overlap. UserNumber (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 09:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Dr. Vogel (talk) 22:23, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it has been discussed, and that the topic itself holds inherent controversy, means that this would likely benefit from a move discussion to help ensure we land on the best possible title (or something close, in any case). What we want to avoid is trying to make a decision here and simply having it reverted because somebody disagreed. ASUKITE 20:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I agree with @Asukite and I'm going to turn this into an RM so consensus can be formally assessed before any decisions are made. Dr. Vogel (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Asukite:, there is no controversy, as no one has ever opposed it. Rather, people have proposed it for a long time but no one has done anything useful about it. UserNumber (talk) 14:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject India has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 13:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.