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Merger discussion malignant narcissism

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Not yet for the merge; broader reorganization or improvement is warranted. Klbrain (talk) 10:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Like "Vulnerable narcissism", Malignant narcissism is a another subtype of NPD that is can be covered in the context of a discussion about all of the proposed substypes ( Narcissistic personality disorder#Subtype theories ). There is not a lot in the clinical literature about malignant narcissism and the current article (15 years old and 1,500 edits) says very little about it. The article is mostly fluff. Wiki-psyc (talk) 13:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Wiki-psyc, I actually thought of adding "malignant narcissism" to the german wikipedia, as an individual article. There are not very many scientific articels about it, however as it is a combination of "normal" narcissism with aspects of additional personality disorders, such as the Antisocial personality disorder, but also Borderline personality disorder (as this article suggests: https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/492228) and Psychopathy or a Sadistic personality disorder (as suggested here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20856182/) I would advocate for improving the article instead of merging it. Llydia (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! As you say, there is little in the literature on Malignant narcissism and even one of the pilot-studies you cite characterizes itself as an "exploratory study sought to develop..." Improving the article would be great but it just might be that Wikipedia is getting ahead of the science. There are 40 articles mentioning Malignant narcissism with virtually no content. See list It's an impressive name that creates a vivid visual, but what is there to write about it in 2021? Wiki-psyc (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Shelve this for later. I don't think we can actually assess what should and shouldn't be a WP:SPINOFF because of current state of the NPD article. It's a mess. This article should at least be comprehensible to a reader before we continue this. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair statement. Wiki-psyc (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I would like to pitch in that very few articles discuss the *subjective* experience of dealing with a narcissist, and this one actually does. NPDs are destructive to everyone around them and for the layperson there is very little clear information on how narcissists cause harm to families and organizations.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenkstom (talk • contribs) 22:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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Types

The article is very confusing in the discussion of types. Grandiose and exhibitionist narcissists are the same. Closet, vulnerable, and covert subtypes all refer to "vulnerable" narcissists, which is the current term researchers use. What is missing, which I will add is the new subtype: Communal narcissist. Dalancer (talk) 17:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)