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Sabeel material

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There is a fair chunk of material here relating to Sabeel. I'm not sure about the relevance of the long list of donors (and have some doubts about the reason for listing them) but it's surely the case that if this and other detailed material about Sabeel belongs anywhere, it belongs on the page for Sabeel itself? Matruman (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No comments, so done. Most unduplicated material kept, except the out of date and excessive funding info, but much moved to Sabeel article, and some moved the other way because it was more about Ateek himself.Matruman (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OT

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Moved from article:

Rev. Ateek dismisses the Old Testament. “Before the creation of the State [of Israel], the Old Testament was considered to be an essential part of Christian Scripture, pointing and witnessing to Jesus. Since the creation of the State, some Jewish and Christian interpreters have read the Old Testament largely as a Zionist text to such an extent that it has become almost repugnant to Palestinian Christians . . . The fundamental question of many Christians, whether uttered or not, is: How can the Old Testament be the Word of God in light of the Palestinian Christians' experience with its use to support Zionism?” (Naim Stifan Ateek, Justice, and Only Justice: A Palestinian Theology of Liberation (Maryknoll: Orbis Books, 1989), pp.77-78.)

First sentence is not backed up by the quote - Ateek does not dismiss the OT, but sees it as part of the writers of the Bible's developing understanding of who God is. This doesn't really even belong on a talk page, will delete shortly unless there is a contrary view? Ditto the comments on the article page itself seem in need of editing for a bias - it's mostly talking points from the opposition, not an analysis of his theology. Matruman (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, see this had already been handled by changing the first sentence. As you were...Matruman (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replacement Theology

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Palestinian Liberation Theology is also known as Replacement Theology. It holds that God's covenant with the Jews was abrogated by the coming of Christ, and replaced by the new covenant with the Church. A similar heresy arose in ancient times, its chief spokesman was Marcion (b. 144 AD,) who argued for the rejection of the Old Testament as scripture and taught that Christ was not the Son of the God of the Jews, but the Son of a good God, who was different from the God of the Ancient Covenant. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09645c.htm) The Marcion heresy, or Replacement Theology, last resurfaced in the work of proto-Nazi theologians, notably Adolf von Harnack. It is also known as Supercessionism. Mainstream theologians perceive a worrying reappearance of replacement theology (neo-Marcionism) in the work of the Sabeel Center. (Habib C. Malik, Christians in the Land Called Holy, Copyright (c) 1998 First Things 89 (January 1999): 9-12. (http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9901/opinion/malik.html)

Adolf von Harnack a "proto-Nazi theologian"? Read a book on the history of 20th century theology. Harnack was one of the few protestant theologians after WWI who were to support the Weimar Republic. His son and two of his nephews joined the underground resistance against the Nazis, only one of them survived. Whatever there is in criticizing Ateek (which might be legitimate), it will inevitably fail when based on flawed assumptions that connect him to the Nazis via Harnack. Besides, talk pages are to be used to discuss the improvement of articles, not to give personal opinions on general subject. Remember that. --201.250.121.83 (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Crucifixion Imagery

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Sabeel's founder, Anglican priest Naim Ateek, has been accused of breathing new life into what French historian Jules Isaac called the “teachings of contempt” and directed their vile energy toward the Jewish State.

For example, in his 2000 Christmas message, Ateek likened the Israeli government to “modern day Herods.” In his 2001 Easter message he stated that ““in this season of Lent, it seems to many of us that Jesus is on the cross again with thousands of crucified Palestinians around Him.…The Israeli government crucifixion system is operating daily." (http://www.juf.org/news_public_affairs/article.asp?key=6398)

And in a February 2001 sermon, Ateek likened the occupation to the “stone placed on the entrance of Jesus’ tomb. … This boulder has shut in the Palestinians within and built structures of domination to keep them in. We have a name for this boulder. It is called the occupation.”

Critics say that with these three images, Ateek has portrayed the Jewish State as a baby- and Christ-killing nation that blocks humanity’s salvation. Critics assert that this imagery has a long history promoting hostility toward Jews and echoes Muslim portrayals of Jews as treacherous prophet killers that pervade the Middle East.

References

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Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center: An ADL Backgrounder http://www.adl.org/main_Interfaith/sabeel_backgrounder.htm

A Primer on Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center www.judeo-christianalliance.org/materials/SabeelPrimer.doc

Liberation Theology in the Middle East http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22575

SPAs

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Everyone please be on the lookout for SPAs editing tendentiously: Off-wiki recruiting is taking place. --Relata refero (disp.) 19:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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