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Unicorn DAO was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 23 November 2022 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Nadya Tolokonnikova. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

On 26 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Nadezhda Tolokonnikova to Nadya Tolokonnikova. The result of the discussion was moved.

Cdn PR?

I'm surprised to read she has Canadian PR - to have this you need to be resident in Canada (or you lose it, it isn't like citizenship). She may be eligible for PR or have previously held it, but I don't see how she can have it now. Has she ever been to Canada? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.142.63.46 (talk) 02:05, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

could be considered

" but also controversial because the non-consensual “ambush kissing” could be considered sexual battery.[19]"

What rubbish. No person in their right mind would even dare to be so casuistic. Forcibly kissing overs is sexual assault. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.228.238 (talk) 10:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cry about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.204.229.34 (talk) 19:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Got what's coming

"Tolokonnikova icily disowned the actions of her own husband"

Wow, I was kinda on her side, but now it turns out she's really quite icy! I mean, her very own husband! --84.63.223.197 (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchist category?

I'm unconvinced by this source, cited by IP 71.173.25.153, which does not unambiguously state that Tolokonnikova is an anarchist. My feeling is that wikipedia should not categorise someone as holding a particular political ideology unless they unambiguously self-identify with it, or unless it is unambiguously reported in several reliable sources. This applies especially when a controversial or minority viewpoint (e.g. anarchism, Marxism, fascism) is ascribed to a living person. For this reason, I have removed Tolokonnikova from the category "Russian anarchists". MaxBrowne (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely correct. She's anti-authoritarian, but definitely not an anarchist, though I can see how from their POV, an authoritarian might feel that way. 70.131.144.174 (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Museum performance

In accordance with WP:BLP, any mention of the action in the biological museum must include a citation from a reliable source. The Thomas Peter article linked to about her Voina days does not mention this performance. MaxBrowne (talk) 06:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DoneUkrained2012 (talk) 05:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of documentation here of their public orgy. http://burdmmxii.blogspot.ca/2012/08/pussy-riots-hope-tolokonnikova.html?zx=daa0e6e8114aad64

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Requested move 19 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: withdrawn FiccionesFicciones (talk) 06:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova → Nadya Tolokonnikova – She is more commonly referred to as 'Nadya' and not by full name Nadezhda FiccionesFicciones (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - so is just about every other woman named "Nadezhda". MaxBrowne (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- What about WP:COMMONNAME? Search "pussy riot Tolokonnikova". Nadya seems to be her common name. FiccionesFicciones (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I get more hits on "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova" than on "Nadya Tolokonnikova" in both google and google news. She is far from being a household name outside of activist circles, and as a controversial political figure, use of an informal nickname could also be seen as non-neutral, indicating that the writer "likes" the person. My guess is that sources that call her "Nadya" lean to the left. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I searched more. I think you are right about the partiality. All russian sources for example call her Nadezhda. I'm willing to close the discussion. FiccionesFicciones (talk) 04:55, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 26 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. This move is correct in keeping with a more natural English-language title. UtherSRG (talk) 11:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova → Nadya Tolokonnikova – Subject has made all official media and political appearances, including with US State Department, RISD, CNN, MSNBC, Guardian, Rolling Stone etc as Nadya not Nadezhda. Comparing Google News results for last 12 months, 622 news results for "Nadya Tolokonnikova" compared to 154 news results for "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova", showing a naturalness of Nadya vs Nadezhda. WP:CRITERIA states "article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject" therefore Russian speaking media should not apply to this discussion (this was brought up in a previous move discussion about Russian sources favoring Nadezhda). Pathofkarma (talk) 01:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is also her professional name as author.[1] —Michael Z. 14:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support All reasons above, some refs - Honorary Doctorate 2019, CNN 3 Days ago, Newsweek one week ago, MSNBC 5 Days ago, Rolling Stone 7 Days ago, US State Department. Pathofkarma (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support I also support after reading the case. Thanks JK.Kite (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Google News is not a reliable source, its results are tuned to the user, the "Google bubble", it gives different results depending on who uses it. Google Books Ngram Viewer is reliable and consistent, and shows "Nadezhda Tolokonnikova" as more than three times as frequent as "Nadya Tolokonnikova". Maproom (talk) 07:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support: There is fairly even usage both in news and scholarly referencing. However, when you search 'Nadezhda Tolokonnikova' you get results popping up showing 'Nadya' in the title, but when you search 'Nadya' you do not get the reverse. 'Nadya' is the clearly more natural titular preference in English. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.