Talk:Mount Washington/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I am keen on reviewing this. Will add my comments in 24 hours. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• Please add an example of the North American tribes referred to here

  Changed to "various indigenous peoples" per this source

• Should be "notoriously" erratic, as in the main text

I have reworded it again, this is what was needed. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• Please expand the lead by a para. It should be somewhat proportional to the article length

Name

• Before European settlers arrived When would that be?
• when it was developed into one of the first tourist destinations in the nation A better link could be to Tourist attractions in the United States
• "Abenaki" is a duplink
• Copies were circulated via the Cog Railway and coaches to surrounding hotels and other outlets. Source?

  Removed.

Climate

• Duplink: "Atlantic Ocean"

•  Done

• and Pacific Northwest Should we have a "the" here?

•  Done

• Low-pressure system Link?

•  Done

• temperature differences between the Northeast and the Atlantic Ocean Not sure what Northeast refers to

•  Done

• Link Presidential Range, it is the first mention in the main text

•  Done

• Convert template in created a wind gust of 254 mph

•  Done

• while lows at or below 0 °F can be expected from November 17 through April 1 Why is "lows" in italics?

•  Done

• Temperature is too common to be linked. The link is anyway very late into the article.

•  Done

• During a 71-hour period from approximately 3 p.m. on January 13 to 2 p.m. on January 16, 2004 I think you should mention the time zone. Or "local time".

• Is there any MoS or convention which requires this? Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (natter) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually I was confused about which time zone you are using. I simply said that you should mention "approximately 3 p.m. (local time) on January 13 to 2 p.m. on January 16, 2004". The MoS says "Give dates and times appropriate to the time zone where an event took place." Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Why would it be anything other than local time? That should be fairly clear to the reader. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (jaw) 22:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Let it stay if you strongly want it to. You should know better about geography articles... Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Readings of 60 °F or more at the summit are seen on an average 16 days annually. Source?

 Done @Sainsf: In the second NOAA source (looks hard to read; though luckily I know how to read it as I edited a lot of climate boxes in USA), there are 13.5 days above 60 °F. It is under the field "ann-tmax-avgnds-grth060 = 135S" in which the units are in tenths according to the readme file and S indicates good data quality. I changed it to reflect the source.

• and hikers are not allowed inside the building except for emergencies and pre-arranged guided tours. Source?

•  Done

• through the passion of a group which understood the worth of a research facility at that demanding location The wording could be tweaked a bit as it may look like original research, so let's say "through a group interested in and noting the worth of a research facility at that demanding location

•  Done

• Mercury thermometer may be linked

•  Done

• The observatory's weather data have accumulated into a valuable climate record...scientific precision to the Mount Washington climate record. Source?

• Diluted "valuable" sentence, added source to the "psychrometer" part

• The observatory makes prominent use of the slogan "Home of the World's Worst Weather," a claim that originated with a 1940 article by Charles Brooks I searched for this article through the citation and found that it was published in the journal Appalachia. Below, I have suggested tweaking the citation a bit. The mention of the journal name in the main text would also be great.

•  Done

P.S. : I am to strike out the issues, if you do it then it will be difficult for me to check which issues have been or not been resolved as was required. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

OK, now placing {{done-t}} beneath instead of striking. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (natter) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Precipitation

 Done Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

• Inches are typically converted to centimeters and not meters. Meters are for feet.

  I'm tempted to leave this as is because IAR and the ones which use meters are going to be quite high centimeters and meters are easier to visualise. Would you really prefer 1439 cm to 14.39 m? Similarly, the millimeter ones further up the paragraph are more appropriate for what the amount is (rain). Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (natter) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

@Rcsprinter and Sainsf: I think in this case, metre is better in this case since the centimetre is too high. Normally, inches are converted to millmetres for rain and centimetres for snow although I would agree metres is better than displaying centimetres. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for informing me. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Geographical features

• Some parts are unsourced
• It rises about 500 meters above alpine tree line. Convert

•  Done

Uses

• Sources?

More added.

Transmission stations

• Sources?

More added.

Deaths

• Can we know who Mohamed Ellozy is?

•  Done Removed mention of whoever that is. Rcsprinter¹²³ (confabulate) 21:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Artistic tributes

• Almost unsourced.

More sources added.

• The 2nd para has links to some too common terms.

•  Done

A few were left which I fixed. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

References

• I am not sure if Peakbagger (refs. 2 and 33), AccuWeather (ref. 4), climbing.about.com (ref. 23) are reliable enough

• Peakbagger looks sufficiently reliable to me; AccuWeather and about.com refs replaced

• Refs. 6, 9, 11, 13, 25 need to mention the location

Ref numbers have changed now. Can you specify which ones you meant, and where the location should be mentioned? Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (palaver) 13:20, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

You can see the order of the refs in this revision, just before I began reviewing the article. By locations I meant you should add the locations of the publishers, it is a parameter in the cite-book template. Not a big deal, just for neater citations. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

• Is ref. 16 properly formatted?

• This is the page which needs to be linked to but it can only be accessed by doing a search in the database. How can it be used to reference? Rcsprinter¹²³ (articulate) 13:19, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Ref. 28 needs more formatting

Ref numbers have changed now. Can you specify which one you meant? Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (palaver) 13:20, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The "Maximum Annual Precipitation by State" PDF. It could use the cite-web or cite-journal template. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

• Ref. 18 mentions two accessdates. Instead of Mountwashington.org, you could write "Mount Washington Observatory" as you do in ref. 22

•  Done

• Ref. 26 is actually a journal article that is to be cited with the help of its DOI (10.1175/1520-0477(1982)063<0986:TMWOYO>2.0.CO;2) through cite journal template

•  Done but with an error of some kind

• Ref. 27 is another journal article, should be cited as (using cite journal):

•  Done

@Rcsprinter123: Hi. The article seems weak on verifiability, are you working on it? Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 10:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm finding myself quite busy at the moment but when I get a spare hour or two, I'll work on this article. Couple of days max. Rcsprinter¹²³ (sermonise) 10:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the update. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 11:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing

@Rcsprinter123: A week since we last conversed. The situation has indeed improved. The only issue is verifiability. For your convenience let me list the (aparently) unsourced parts: Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 08:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

• Alpine Gardens drops off precipitously ... 500 meters (1,600 ft) above alpine tree line. (Geographical features)
• at 5,000 feet (1,500 m) to 5,500 feet (1,700 m)...separates the two high ridges. (Geographical features)

•  Done

• in all seasons, due to harsh ... the weather becomes dangerous. (Uses)

•  Done

• The first para of "Hiking"

•  Done

• It uses a Marsh rack system and was the first successful rack railway in the US. (Cog railway)

•  Done

• The whole "Races" section sparing the first two lines.

•  Done

• WMTW continually broadcast from the mountaintop until 2002. (Transmission stations)

•  Done

• destroyed the transmitter building ... Armstrong tower was used for broadcasts.) (Transmission stations)

•  Done

• 3rd para of Transmission stations

Removed due to lack of source.

• it can be heard clearly throughout most of New Hampshire...the majority of Vermont and Maine. (Transmission stations)

•  Done

• 1st and 3rd paras of Artistic tributes

•  Done

I'll try to get onto all this before too long. Rcsprinter¹²³ (collogue) 11:55, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

• Sainsf: Now all done, hopefully. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (confer) 21:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@Rcsprinter123: You have improved the situation very well. But I see just two lines unsourced, in the last section: Conway became a base for visitors arriving by coach and boarding at farmhouses and then in the 1870s by train to newly opened inns and hotels. The interest their works generated attracted others to visit Mount Washington and the region, initiating the tourism business that remains vital today. Can you fix it? No more issues after this. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 03:17, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Sainsf:I don't think I can find an appropriate source for those lines. Should I remove it or will it be OK to leave? Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (jaw) 21:21, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

@Rcsprinter123: If there is no source, I don't believe the information should stay. Add it back in when you get any source. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 03:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Sainsf: OK, lines now removed. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (post) 12:04, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Very well. No more issues now. I am happy to promote this. Great work! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 13:19, 1 April 2016 (UTC)