Talk:Morning Star

Lucifer

The Morning Star is also a name for Lucifer, or Satan. In a poem? In a book? Where? Wetman 05:02, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That's what "Lucifer" means, isn't it? (Metaphorically, anyway) Adam Bishop 05:03, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"Lucifer" means light-bearer, but the Morning Star" reference is all over the place. I did a Google search with "Lucifer" "Morning Star" and got 9800 hits. Of course, not all of them apply, but you might take a look at http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/890/lucifer.html RickK 05:10, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Folk theology again. Lucifer = absinthe, etc. No matter. Wetman 05:18, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I always understood 'The Morning Star' to be another name for the devil, but I'm not learned enough to update the content. Could someone learned fix the disambiguation entry by adding a "religion" section or another inclusion at "mythology"? (And for modern cultural references I nominate: i. Lady Gaga's "Judas" music video, where one of the gangster-types is swinging a jewelled morningstar, ii. the 1999 film "Dogma", where in one scene Bartleby and Loki discuss the devil, using the name "Morning Star", and iii. Julian May's novels - "The Galactic Milieu" trilogy + Saga of the Exiles with the "Angel of the Abyss" character.) Smittee (talk) 09:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Lucifer or 'Luciferus' was the ancient Latin name for the 'light-bearer'/Morning Star/Planet Venus. This then was demonized by the Roman Church as was everything that was pagan was demonized. Lucifer should never be used to represent Satan/evil; the Devil (d'evil) is the human-incarnation of Satan/evil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.104.60 (talk) 14:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

sorry but that is mis information. here are the corrections. thankyou

In the bible there is a reference to Lucifer as being the "Son of the morning".  

that implies the light-bearer.there is also reference to him being the light-bearer .. but it states very clearly that the bright and "morning star" is in fact Christ as the first born. the reference is in the book of revelations. here are some references: Job 38: 7

 7 When the morning stars sang together, 

and all the sons of God shouted for joy?;

Rev. 2: 28
 28 And I will give him the morning star.

Rev. 22: 16

 16 I Jesus have sent mine aangel to testify 

unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,

and the bright and morning star.

those were all references to Christ. now a reference to Lucifer:

Isa. 14: 12

 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,
son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, 

which didst weaken the nations! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.112.162 (talk) 18:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

"morning star" has cultural meanings that are notwithstanding this particular biblical analysis, and that refer to the devil - even in modern usage. Even if you want to bog down in argument over Who the Morning Star is, that deserves acknowledgement. I only know the the Morning Star to be a reference to the devil (and I think it should be in the wikipedia as such), but if someone else thinks it's another name for Christ - shouldn't that be wiki-ed as such too? Can a learned someone add a christian inclusion either under "mythology" or a new section "religion"? thx Smittee (talk) 09:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Clearly it's a teaching which the early Catholic Church created due to the many early pagans whom tried to claim ownership of the sun to their particular diety, by naming the planets after their dieties and calling them stars making Venus the Morningstar they tried to bring order to their many different followers. Angels are referred to as stars clearly in Revelations 12:4. Son of the Morning literally means Son of the Day and when a star is considered as in this case, Son of the Sun would likely be a more proper translation. As the Moon, Sun and Earth evolves around eachothers axis and are central of all the largest religions, being called son of the sun is likely being described as being the moon, making Lucifer a son of another angel (Star) or Christ himself. Humaniora Sophia (talk) 02:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

"Clearly" doesn't matter, cite modern professionally-published mainstream academic sources for claims. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:56, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

To be clear, please don't add any citations to this page. They will be promptly removed, as this is a WP:DISAMBIGUATION page, not an article. If you have new, well-sourced information about angels, add it to the Angel article. If it stands up over there, then an entry can be added here. Likewise, any discussion about angels or anything else being called "morning star" should happen on the relevant article talk pages, not here. -- Fyrael (talk) 13:52, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

How to link to the german page?

How do I add the German page? This is ridiculously unintuitive. They should change the system. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenstern66.30.61.228 (talk) 21:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

The problem seems to be that this is a disambiguation page, not a main article in English, and so cannot be linked. Esoglou (talk) 09:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Morning Star - the Planet Venus

I improved... Morning star, most commonly used as a name for the planet Venus when it appears in the east before sunrise. Venus is also the Evening Star. The ancients first thought the two were seperate stars and later realized it was the same star appearing as the harbinger of the Sun in the east and marking the end of the day in the west. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.104.60 (talk) 14:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Morning Star (newspaper) be merged into Morning Star. Both pages are disambiguations of "Morning Star", and the newspaper page is very small. The newspaper page could, for example, be added to the literature section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkywardStrike (talk • contribs) 20:45, 18 June 2016 (UTC)