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The article is over wikilinked (my constant complaint). Per WP:CONTEXT, years and months and such, when they are by themselves, should not be linked. I will remove a few.

You must have a consistent standard for formatting references. See WP:Citation templates and scroll down to where the templates xxx are. Or go to Template:Cite book. WP:Footnote gives an over all explanation. The issue is to choose a format and be consistent in the article. Always provide the publisher. And when you have a page range e.g. pp.56-67, you must use the pp. The single p. is for a single page.

Otherwise, I think this is a well-written concise article that wonderfully covers the subject matter. Very good.

I might worry about the use of Fair use images. Usually two well-justified ones are allowed in an article (rough rule). The album covers should not be a problem. (Although having two might.) I personally think the images enhance the article. But it is something to think about.

I fixed the footnoting problem, I think. So really, I think this article fits the criteria of a GA.

In the sentence: "As the songs provided the "country & western" foundation for the album, the musical arrangements represented the "modern" component" I would advise removing the scare quotes around country and western and modern, as quotes for no reason are frowned up.

I fixed the sentence and got rid of the cite webs.Dan56 (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But why is Country & Western in italics? And shouldn't it be country and western (& is not encyclopedia unless that is a title, and I it doesn't seem to be a title)? And why is "modern" in quotes?

My bad; its now fixed Dan56 (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Reservations about autoformatting of dates and incorrect format for U.S. article if this should go to FAC
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Last edited at 01:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 00:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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"I Can't Stop Loving You" mislabeled

From the article-"I Can't Stop Loving You", a countrypolitan ballad with lush, cushioned arrangements,"

The problem is that the Don Gibson hit is not a countrypolitan ballad, and was not made during the countrypolitan era. The Don Gibson hit record of "I Can't Stop Loving You" was recorded in 1957 well before the countrypolitan era of the late 60s-70s. There are no lush strings, or cushioned orchestral backing arrangements on the record typical of the Countrypolitan era. His record is very much from the era in which it was recorded-early "Nashville Sound." Steel guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, piano, drums.

From the Wikipedia article-

"Oh Lonesome Me is a studio album by American country singer Don Gibson, released in 1958. It is an example of the beginning of the Nashville Sound.

The title song reached the Top 10 and also topped the country chart. Its B-side was "I Can't Stop Loving You" which became a standard song for unrequited love.[2]"''

I agree that the comment about placement on the album is an important part of the story of Ray Charles' hit version of the song. However I would like to see the caretaker of this article to look over the issue, then if in agreement, change the sentence to refect that Don Gibson original version was from the early Nashville Sound era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle kursk (talk • contribs) 13:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Took care of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle kursk (talk • contribs) 13:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see somebody changed it back. Have you ever listened to Don Gibson's 1957 recording of the song? It cannot be labeled as "Countrypolitan." First, it was recorded a decade before there even was such a thing as "Countrypolitan." Secondly, there are no "lush strings," or "cushioned orchestral backing arrangements" on the record. The original recording has only 5 musicians on it. The statement is false. It is like finding a refernce to an Elvis song from the 50s, labeled "County Rock." It isn't, and it was recorded before the era that produced what we label as "Country Rock."

Just because there is a reference doesn't make it correct. This happens a lot on Wikipedia. Somebody finds a comment in an old magazine/newspaper article or a poorly researched book-then just because it can be referenced, it gets treated like it was true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle kursk (talk • contribs) 13:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence is describing the song on this album; no mention of Gibson recording. Dan56 (talk) 15:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I read it the other way. It looks somewhat ambiguous to me, but I now see that the term Countrypolitan could be referring to Charles' version of the song instead. I agree to leave it as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle kursk (talk • contribs) 18:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]