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Independent fund

There have been numerous attempts on this page to tie the Moderate Party to the Moderate Party Independent Fund. However, there has been no evidence presented that the two are affiliated, and indeed the latter was established by a different set of principals. This assertion is an assumption based on similarity of name, but has no factual evidence to support it. 2601:18F:702:2860:E5CE:9326:41E:8EFA (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given that there is no evidence to support the affiliation between the Moderate Party and the Moderate Party Independent Fund, it seems reasonable to eliminate any reference to the independent fund altogether, as it is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18F:702:2860:E5CE:9326:41E:8EFA (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for you to reply to your own talk section as if you where someone else. do you have any sources that say what you claim? Because I have three politico articles and a NYT that argue the exact opposite. I am begging you to read up on what a Political action committee is. Scu ba (talk) 12:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the sentence in these articles that demonstrates that the independent fund is affiliated with the moderate party? The Friedman piece doesn't present any evidence, it just makes an assumption based on the naming - that is not proof, especially from an obviously biased source.

I know what a PAC is, but just sharing a name doesn't create an affiliation between a party and a PAC. 72.85.200.38 (talk) 01:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

again, click on the citation and read it. better yet ill copy and paste the article's text here:

The so-called Moderate Party that’s aimed at helping Democratic Rep. Tom Malinowski defeat a challenge by Republican Tom Kean Jr. in November gave up on this year’s effort to try to get Malinowski on the ballot twice by instituting “fusion voting.”

But will the party try to exert influence in the more traditional New Jersey way, with lots of money?

In August, an independent expenditure group quietly formed called the “Moderate Party Independent Fund.” It just filed its first financial report. And it’s a true grassroots swell of bipartisan energy!

Just kidding. The group is funded by a single $500,000 donation by House Majority PAC — House Democrats’ super PAC.

So unless you think Politco isn't a reliable source and it's listing in WP:RSP is incorrect, please stop reverting this article. If you think politico isn't a reliable source, take it up with WP:RSN. Scu ba (talk) 15:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you sort of demonstrate my point - "an independent expenditure group quietly formed" doesn't mean it was formed by the Moderate Party, or by anyone affiliated with it. It's just something someone put on a form. I'm not contesting that "Moderate Party Independent Fund" got a donation from House Majority PAC, but I am contesting its affiliation to the Moderate Party itself. To my knowledge the two don't share staff, founders, or any of the other markings of affiliation, and this article certainly doesn't say that they do. 72.85.200.38 (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That by definition is what a PAC is. I implore you again to read up on what a PAC is. they do this so they can circumvent campaign finance law and taxes. They announce they aren't affiliated to any party, and then name themselves the moderate party independent fund and use all their money to finance moderate party attack ads against Kean. Several politico and a NYT article all call the Moderate Party Independent Fund the Moderate Party's PAC. Again, going back to the PAC, none of the members of the PAC are legally members of the Moderate Party to circumvent campaign finance laws. However, every penny of every dollar given to the Moderate Party Independent Fund, which was a one time donation from Nancy Peolsi, went to finance Anti-Kean, Pro-Malinowski ads. This whole conversation is going in circles. Read on what a PAC is before editing about PACs. Scu ba (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]