Talk:Ministry of Ceremonies (Japan)

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. No prejudice against a new RM. Jenks24 (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ministry of Ceremonies → Jibu-shō – "Ministry of Ceremonies" is hardly the standard translation for this office. In fact, the Shikibu-shō is the one commonly translated "Ministry of Ceremonies" or some approximation thereof. So evem though this current Wikipedia usage is seen in some cases, it is a flip vice-versa of the more usual convention from dozens of modern sources. See Talk:Shikibu-shō Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2013 (UTC) Kiyoweap (talk) 06:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per WP:PRECISION, English sources are all over the place in trying to translate this. For example Ochikubo Monogatari or The Tale of the Lady Ochikubo 2010 Page 138 has "JIBUSHŌ, The Department of Civil Administration." It would be more precise to just stick to the real historical name. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment does the current title become a disambiguation page? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose On basis of WP:USEENGLISH. I have to agree with Kiyoweap that this does not appear to be the accepted translation. Ministry of Civil Affairs / Civil Government appears to be the translation of Jibu-shō and Shikibu-sho translate to Ministry of Ceremonies. In either case there are English sources that employ the respective terms. I see this more of an issue of the articles Ministry of Ceremonies and Ministry of Civil Services needing to resolve their respective content and scope. --Labattblueboy (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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