Talk:Ministry of Agriculture (Spain)

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Requested move 22 August 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (non-admin closure) Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (Spain) → Ministry of Agriculture (Spain) – To comply with WP:CONCISE and WP:NCGAL, keep consistency with all other articles on Spanish departments (using the generic department's name due to frequent name changes) and due to an impossibility of carrying out the move myself. Impru20^talk 13:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Danski454 (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Impru20 and Þjarkur: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not really contesting, but practically all other countries' ministries use full titles even though ministries often switch names (as in Category:Agriculture ministries) – Thjarkur (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Þjarkur: That would be the case for stand-alone departments of new creation that are known under those names, but the Agriculture ministry in Spain has existed since 1900, and in its current form (without being merged with any other ministry, barring a brief merger with Labour in the 1940s) since 1933. Ever since, it has had the following names:

Agriculture (until 1981)
Agriculture and Fisheries (1981)
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1981–2008, then again from 2018 to present)
Agriculture, Food and Environment (2011–2016)
Agriculture and Fisheries, Food and Environment (2016–2018)

Nothing prevents the name from being changed again. Also, "Agriculture, Fisheries and Food" doesn't really work as a disambiguator because there are other ministries with such a name (Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (United Kingdom), which has been named as such since 1955), so you have to add the country in the title anyway. WP:NCGAL calls both for using an official name (but does not explicitly demands that it be the current, exact name, though, just an official one) and for using proper disambiguation. Considering this, that a disambiguation would be needed anyway even with the full title, as well as WP:CONCISE, Ministry of Agriculture (Spain) would better comply with WP's naming policies and conventions than Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (Spain).

Also note that the article's scope covers the full historical extent of the ministry, rather than just the periods in which it was named as "Agriculture, Fisheries and Food", so the current name could also be in contravention of WP:PRECISE. Impru20^talk 15:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, Impru20 makes a good case for this. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.