Talk:List of world championships in mind sports

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Created page to allow the list on the World championship page to be better focused. There are events that are of very different notability appearing in the same place while missing important events. The expected usage of this page is to include notable world championships in mind sports. While any game can have a world championship I would suggest that:

• A game has its own wikipedia page with reference to the world champion section
• That the world championships itself is notable or it forms part of a notable competition
• It is a Game of skill

Tetron76 (talk) 12:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

POV

Does this exist as a term or has it been invented using a kind of Syntahsis?Slatersteven (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Does user tetron76 have a personal stake in this list selection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.39.105 (talk) 03:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Mind Sports exists as a term since the 1990s

I was trying to make a page that was consistent with the approach of other list pages

The term Mind sports World championship is a synthesis.

If the World Championship lists are not intended to cover every world championship then subpages are needed.

This could also have been called game world championships but the term is not clearly distinguished from sports.Tetron76 (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The subsection of games are supposed to be any game that counts as a mind sport. see game of skill that have notable world championships. The purpose was to stop the effect of the World championship page of having events such as (darts cricket), marbles and pie-eating. :When the full list List of world cups and world championships purposefully excludes chess.

There clearly is a distinction between the importance of various world championships so I was aiming to subdivide what will otherwise be a very long list on World championship. That currently has no references.

Tetron76 (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

There needs to be consistancy between calling a page a list of world championships and world championships in sport. And it is chess bodies and others that wanted their games to be treated more like a sport in the first place.Tetron76 (talk) 17:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

But a spport can only be included on this list if its called a mind spoprt by RS.Slatersteven (talk) 12:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The issue comes down to RS when it is not about establishing notability but the categorisation of a game.

There are RS from 1997 in The Times that define many games as Mind Sports but their on-line records do not go back that far and effectively they are simply endorsing the view of

the mind sports Olympiad.

The independent for example has the following article available which lists several games as "mind sports" - [1].

The term "mind sport is used for political ends.

"IFP is working to win poker recognition as a game of skill, a "mind-sport" on a par with chess and bridge, and so to have it detached from anti-gambling legislation the world over."

taken from [2]

Despite the above declaring poker as not yet a mind sport the New York Times defined poker as such in [3]

this is because of official legal recognition that goes beyond common usage.

It was reported in the following article from 2002 as

"As the Minister for Sport, Richard Caborn said "...I believe we should have the same obligation to mental agility as we do to physical agility. Mind sports have to form UK national bodies and get together with the government to devise an acceptable amendment to the 1937 Act that clearly differentiates mind sports from parlour board games."

full article [4]

this has lead to the formation of several Mind Sports bodies worldwide that are going to continue to grow.

You get sources such as Raymond Keene who could be viewed as partial where he goes through a list but clearly implies that there are other events that he is not mentioning.

[5] this is probably a version of an article on the Times as but I don't have a subscription

if official bodies that can be shown as notable can be used for definition then that is what the list consists although some come from a category (abstract games) being defined as a mind sport and games that fall into said category.

Otherwise you can end up with very minor mentions in RS such as the very last phrase in this linked article from the telegraph saying "mind sports such as backgammon".

[6]

I have currently used broad inclusion criteria and the list is not meant to be completely closed I expect after time other lists means sections such as multiplayer board games which are ambiguous will be migrated.Tetron76 (talk) 17:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Removed NPOV tag following on from AfD and renaming although clearly there may still be issues involved on the inclusion criteria of this page .Tetron76 (talk) 22:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Moved page

I have moved the page so as its name better reflects its purpose Tetron76 (talk) 19:17, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

You should not really move pages during AFD.Slatersteven (talk) 12:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I did read wiki help page before moving that I thought said it was alright to move page.Tetron76 (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Do the World Puzzle Championships count as a mind sport?

I'm genuinely curious. [Note: Although I obviously can't prove it, I am GLmathgrant, an old Wikipedia user who has since forgotten his password and can't retrieve it because the account is associated with an old e-mail address.] 74.197.23.194 (talk) 16:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I would imagine that they probably do since many pure mental competitions such as memory do. Feel free to add them to the list World_Puzzle_Championship Tetron76 (talk) 23:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Removed following section Academic Competitions

A competition described as a national is not a World Championship even if it were a major competition. Quizes probably can consititute a mind sport just as puzzles did so World Quizzing Championship would probably count. I think an academic quiz is questionable but the main issue is that it doesn't fit with this page. Perhaps another list is needed.

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The Academic Competition Federation (ACF) and National Academic Quiz Tournaments (NAQT) hold collegiate championship tournaments that are attended by universities from Great Britain, Canada, as well as the United States. The NAQT also holds the High School National Championship which is attended by schools from Guam, China, Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. The Partnership for Academic Competition Excellence also holds a high school championship tournament the National Scholastic Championship (NSC). The NSC is typically only contested by teams from Canada and the United States.

Sport	Competition name	Competing entities	First held	Current holder	Next	Held every
Quizbowl	Academic Competition Federation Nationals	Teams	1991	Yale	2013	1 year
Quizbowl	Intercollegiate Championship Tournament	Teams	1997	Virginia	2013	1 year
Quizbowl	High School National Championship Tournament	Teams	1999	Bellarmine College Prep	2013	1 year
Quizbowl	National Scholastic Championship	Teams	1998	Hunter College	2013	1 year

Tetron76 (talk) 23:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

References

Dominoes

There is yet a third organization holding a world championship in dominoes and calling itself World Federation: Federación Internacional de Dominó, an article on the 2014 world championships. This one appears to be team rather than individual, and at that point I gave up on trying to fit it into the table. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

World Quizzing Championship

Does World Quizzing Championship count as a mind sport? Hmm I see they are pushing for it: [7]

Well, what else is it, if not a mind sport? It is certainly not a physical sport. E-sports are much more physical than quizzing. It is a mind sport, and arguably much larger than many of the sports included here, with several thousand participants each year in the WQC.Mumroos (talk) 06:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Women's champions

There are only men champions. Must we place women champions there or will be another article for women? Bars 23 (talk) 10:12, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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wesley so chess960?

given nov2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_World_Fischer_Random_Chess_Championship_2019 what about adding this as a separate thing? Thewriter006 (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Shogi World Championship

Shouldn't the Ryuuou title be considered as the World Champion of Shogi? The Meijin title is restricted to professional Shogi players only, while amateurs can qualify for the Ryuuou by winning an amateur title. Furthermore the Ryuuou title winner is awarded a higher cash prize than the meijin title. 2A02:908:1A1:E8A0:0:0:0:6A98 (talk) 01:29, 2 July 2023 (UTC)