Talk:Middle-earth dwarf characters

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Extra dwarves?

I found the following dwarves among the list:

Erebor (1) Is the last of the Mezquins dwarves and father of Mîm.

Erebor (2) Is the son of Ibûn and father of Farin.

Farin Is the son of Erebor (2) and father of Fundin and Groin

Hadhod Hadhod was a Dwarf from the Fundin clan. He was created by EA and appeared in the games 'The Third Age' and as a cameo in 'The Battle for Middle-Earth 2'. He is pretty much the 'Gimli' of the Third age and even has the same personality as him. The Two Warriors even met during 'The Battle for Helms Deep' although they are not seen in cut-scenes together.

He was a great Dwarven warrior in his own right and many of his sons accompanied Balin during an expedition to reclaim Moria. Having heard nothing from Balin nor his sons Hadhod began searching for Moria and eventually met Elegost, a Ranger of Faramir's troop. The two became good friends and together they travelled together to find the lost kingdom.

When elven messengers announced he and Elegost had to go to Rivendell, Hadhod hesitated (since he (and all other Dwarves for that matter) don't like elves) but eventually he went there. After the Council of Elrond he was given a map to Moria from Elrond as a sign of friendship. Hadhod began a new quest with his ranger friend to find Moria but became separated when a band of orcs, led by a Mordor Shaman, attacked and stole the map. Elegost began searching for his friend but met Berethor and Idrial who in turn were following the Fellowship. Hadhod in the meanwhile followed the Orcs through the wilderness of Eregion and when night fell he slept in a cave to rest until the morning. But in the morning he was attacked by a troll who almost killed him, if not Elegost and his two companions intervined.

With the map of Elrond they found Moria, and found all of the dwarves dead, even Hadhod's sons. This angered Hadhod so that he grabbed some axes made by his people and slaughtered all the Trolls in Moria. After the group left Moria he followed the group to Helms Deep and found the Hammer of Helm Hammerhand, his boyhood dream. With that hammer he fought his way though the War of the Ring.

Ibûn Ibûn was one of the last of the Petty-dwarves, son of Mîm and father of Erebor (2).

Mîm

Mîm was one of the last of the Petty-dwarves who lived with his two sons, Ibûn and Khîm, at Amon Rûdh in middle BeleriandAND SON OF Erebor (1).

I removed the bits on Erebor (1), Erebor (2), and Hadhod and revised the bits on the other three. Everything connecting Mîm with the grandfather of Balin and Glóin through Erebor (2) is confusing to me: Mîm died around First Age 500, while Farin was born in Third Age 2460, the year of the founding of Dol Guldur. It seems to me that a gap of 6000 years is a bit much for three generations of Dwarves :-) Also, it doesn't seem to me that a fanciful video-game character belongs in this list. By the way, I searched a bit for these uses of Erebor and "Mezquins". I don't remember ever seeing "Erebor" except in the context of the mountain (after all, ereb = lonely, or = probably a contraction of orod, = mountain), and "Mezquins" is a completely new name to me. If I've missed something, and these names do belong in here, by all means restore them! Nyttend 17:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The dates must've been a mistake — 6000 years sounds too much of a gap, even for Dwarves! However, I do regret to announce that my knowledge concerning Dwarves is minimal, so edit as you see fit. :) —Mir l e n 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I look at the page history, I think it was vandalism. A similar (but smaller) addition was reverted nearly a month ago. Nyttend 21:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gloins?

Why are there two entrys on the same person (Gloin, son of Groin, father of Gimli)BritBoy 01:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are two Glóins. Uthanc 08:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue is that a general Wikipedia search for "Gloin" takes the user to the king rather than to the better-known Gloin (the member of Thorin's company). Jungleboy63 (talk) 13:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Longobards

Is there an inspiration from Longobards? --Error (talk) 00:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Drat this dwarvish racket

Is there any evidence that the Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin was made for Azaghâl, or by Telchar, or even by Dwarves? I have added 'citation required' in the entries for Azaghâl and Telchar.

BTW, it would be difficult to satisfy the warning at the head of the page that the article is too in-universe. One way would be to greatly expand the entries, but this would bog them down, e.g. "Azaghâl was a King of the Broadbeam Dwarves, a fictitious people who resided in the fictitious city of Belegost in the First Age, a fictitious time period in Tolkien's fictional universe..."111.220.213.249 (talk) 10:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have located the reference for Telchar (and have added the reference), but still no connection to Azaghâl (a king of rival Dwarves).111.220.252.54 (talk) 11:02, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was Merge. Jack Upland (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Dáin II Ironfoot into this article. As noted in his article, he only "appears briefly" in The Hobbit. Hence he is not important enough to have his own article. Note: to pre-empt arguments, I am not saying that he isn't important as a dwarf king; the topic here is his notability as a fictional character.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Dain is not indepdently notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.