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I wanted to note that the claim that Rodney Bingenheimer sued the Angry Samoans and won is false; in fact he threatened a lawsuit, which had no effect whatsoever on the band's continuing criticism of him. Bonzesaunders 19:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SAUNDERS DID NOT COIN THE TERM "HEAVY METAL"

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This is very clearly an error. Mars Bonfire coined the term in the song "Born To Be Wild" in 1968, when he wrote the line "I like smoke & lightning, heavy metal thunder..." in the lyrics. From that point forward every musician in the country, my band included, started using "heavy" and "heavy metal" to describe particularly powerful music, and it grew exponentially from there. The first Iron Butterfly album from 1968 - "Heavy" - contributed to the birth of this terminology as well, but it was Mars Bonfire who literally coined the term 'heavy metal' 2 years before this supposed Humble Pie review. If Saunders used it to describe "As Safe As Yesterday Is" he simply applied a term he had undoubtedly heard coming out of John Kay's mouth via 10 million radios for the previous 2 years. 75.20.213.5 (talk) 04:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually William Burroughs was apparently the first to employ the term outside its chemical use (in a non-musical context in 1962). Bob Seger & The Last Heard released "Heavy Music" in 1967, a very heavy song... it's true, "Heavy" was an appellation applied to a number of bands, e.g., Cream, Iron Butterfly, and The Jeff Beck Group's early releases, none of which fall into the "heavy metal" genre. As for the relevance of Steppenwolf and Mars Bonfire's excellent song, it is not heavy metal, and the lyric refers to the "heavy metal thunder" of a powerful automobile as opposed to that of a musical genre. If "every musician in the country" were employing the phrase, surely it would have worked its way into the idiom long before 1970... instead, "downer rock" was being used to label the archetypal heavy metal band, Black Sabbath. E.g., Lester Bangs refers to the "downer rock" epithet three times in an article on Black Sabbath in Creem (June 1972) but never uses the term "heavy metal". Bonzesaunders (talk) 01:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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