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Requested move 16 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shuffle dance → Melbourne shuffle – Someone previously moved it from the original Melbourne shuffle, to Shuffle dance, without giving any real reason other than their personal opinion. As per WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:COMMONNAME the article should be named according to the citations. Claims regarding the disputed nature of "Melbourne" part of the name, the history and origin story were un-cited and completely bias and not written from a nuetral point of view, based entirely on Youtube videos and original research and not even remotely verifiable, no reliable source disputes the Melbourne origins, in-fact the Age newspaper had this to say:

To the untrained eye it might look like a cross between the chicken dance and a foot-stomping robot. But to the young nightclubbers who spend countless hours mastering it, the Melbourne shuffle is an art form, and recognised in international dance circles as Melbourne's own : https://www.theage.com.au/national/dance-trance-20021207-gduw8a.html

All citations that refer to the dance by name refer to it as the "Melbourne shuffle", not even a single reliable citation refers to merely the "shuffle dance". Bacondrum (talk) 00:30, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per COMMONNAME - I've never once heard or seen this referred to as "Shuffle dance".... It's reffered to as "Melbourne Shuffle" almost everywhere. –Davey2010^Talk 02:11, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article was moved to this title after a formal RM discussion found no objection. If it’s moved, it should be to just Melbourne shuffle; the disambiguation isn’t needed.—Cúchullain ^t/c 02:44, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I've changed the title request. I'm not having a go at you or the person who made the 2018 move request, but it seems odd that the title was changed without any citations or evidence to back up the change. Surely the move should still require citations from reliable sources and that the claim be verifiable? There wasn't a single reliable source to back the original move and related assertions, surely it should not have been done just because someone thought it should, I didn't think mere personal opinion was grounds for such a change.Bacondrum (talk) 03:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - looking at this: Many other all-Black shows, including “Runnin’ Wild,” “Chocolate Dandies” and “Blackbirds” of 1928, also played to enthusiastic American audiences in the 1920s and 1930s. Tap combined elements of African-influenced shuffle dances, English clog dancing, and Irish jigs. - it seems that the generic term "Shuffle dance" was around way before the 1980s. --Gonnym (talk) 07:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cuchullain: Can an uninvolved editor, you perhaps, close and move this then, there's a clear consensus and it's been 8 days now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bacondrum (talk • contribs)

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Is this the dance going viral on TikTok?

On TikTok, there are a gazillion videos of a shuffle dance[1], and it looks fairly like the video on this page. I can only find one reference to Melbourne, though, in a YouTube description here (not the most reliable source). Is this the shuffle being adopted there? If so, we definitely need to give this page a big update. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inventor?

I google who invented the Melbourne Shuffle and it said Maurice Novoa, why? Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 09:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source? Perhaps it is an unreliable source. There was an Indonesian interview floating around where someone claimed to be the inventor, but I don't think Wikipedians found that article to be very credible. Someone in the Wikipedia article's history said this in an edit summary: very obvious self promotion, and serious WP:UNDUE weight. again, no other source in existence names this guy as the inventor of the shuffle. consensus points to it evolving organically and collectively. not attributable to any one person.. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This later article is by a journalist about a witness to the creation of the shuffle https://www.warnaplus.com/maurice-novoa-mengonfirmasi-sifu-joe-sayah-sebagai-saksi-terhadap-penemuan-melbourne-shuffle/ and this other one is also by a journalist and the site says they do not take money as tips for stories https://radarkaur.disway.id/read/651452/menyelami-gerakan-halus-wing-chun-kung-fu-sifu-maurice-novoa-maestro-di-balik-fenomena-melbourne-shuffle Interesting how the video of Maurice dancing is at falls festival on big screens that's the biggest music festival in Australia based in Melbourne. Crazy pumpkin 123 (talk) 12:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but there is no actual source at all for this dance being invented in the late 1980s. The current source does not mention it and links back to this Wikipedia article. It is much more likely people in Melbourne in the early 1990s were inspired by the videos from The Prodigy just like the rest of the world. Leeroy Thornhill has told in interviews his dance moves came from watching James Brown videos: https://theprodigy.info/members/leeroy-thornhill.html Dsteady (talk) 09:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Melbourne Shuffle, otherwise known as Rocking, is a dance birthed in the underground warehouse club scene of 1980s inner-city Melbourne is sourced to Vice. Woodroar (talk) 14:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article back from 2017 did not mention 1980s originally. Someone has now added that information, the page is modified 2024-07-28. Also now that it mentions it, it does it in a way it uses this Wikipedia article as its source. So the article is not a valid evidence. The article also doesn't tell us anything about 1980s or early 1990s: My mate Nick was a Hardstyle DJ in the early 2000s. I asked him what the Melbourne Shuffle meant to the city back then. Thornhill absolutely did not take his moves from Melbourne but from James Brown. Also in the 1990s people all over the word were dancing Thornhill's steps, this Wikipedia article gives the wrong impression for later generations. --Dsteady (talk) 09:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]