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restore informationectomy

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Although the result of the 2006 AFD was keep this article was subject to a redirect -- one not discussed here.

I think this redirect was unwise. Many articles contain links Runnymede Road, since it has incoming wikilinks, and there are RS to support its notability, readers are best served with a standalone article, not a redirect. So I restored the former article, added some references, and some new material. Geo Swan (talk) 03:08, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Readers are best served with a RCS style article that covers several subjects of semi-notability together. There is nothing lost by redirecting to a section of such an article in place of a stand-alone article, but plenty of inconvenience simply to say "this subject got its OWN article. I urge you to self-revert and start a discussion to gain outside opinion. Given our past polarity on this subject, I will refrain and offer only my opinion... - Floydian τ ¢ 07:12, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See how Vaughan Road is done. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have cleaned up some articles as well. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Correction to East–West listing

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I think a small correction is needed to the east-west listing of streets in the east Scarborough area. Sewells, Conlins and Manse are along one concession; Reesor and Morrish are along the next concession to the east. One might also consider putting Beare before Centennial two more concessions east, to mimic the north-south ordering of streets along the two other concessions. --papageno (talk) 04:06, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That could be done. We can wait for more suggestions. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 12:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason we can't do this edit now? --papageno (talk) 17:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We need more opinions, such as from @Geo Swan: and @Alaney2k:. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed on some cases. If the individual roads aren't notable, but the co-linear roads collectively are, then there should be an article on the main road with sections describing the roads co-linear to it. Spadina Avenue and Spadina Road are individually notable, so they can be separate. Ossington Avenue is itself notable, but the co-linear road, Marlee Avenue, isn't, so the Ossington Avenue article can have a section about Marlee Avenue with Marlee Avenue redirect to Ossington Avenue. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, but they don't address my question. I apologise if I was not clear enough. Here's another try. In the lead of the article, there is a listing of streets in alphabetical order. A listing of streets in order from west to east follows. 1. However, some streets in that east to west listing are not in the correct order. Sewells, Conlins and Manse are along the same concession, and so should appear consecutively. Scarborough-Pickering Townline and Port Union are also along the same concession, but also don't appear consecutively. 2. Referring again to the west to east listing, for streets that are along the same concession, we should put them in secondary order too; I suggest listing the streets from north to south. Thus, Sewells, Conlins and Manse should appear in that order; Beare before Centennial; and Scarborough-Pickering Townline followed by Port Union. – Point 1 should be corrected immediately: if the listing is from west to east, then it should be from west to east. I don't think point 2 is controversial, but await your input. Regards to all. --papageno (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I made the corrections to the West to East listing as I outlined. I believe this closes the matter. It does not affect your other discussion points, which perhaps you might like to start afresh as a separate Talk section. --papageno (talk) 19:01, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's great! Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:30, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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West to East listing - use different separators for collinear roads

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I think it would add information if the West to East listing in the lede used a different separator for collinear roads, perhaps an en-dash ("–"), retaining the bullet for separating roads that are not collinear. For example, Sewells, Conlins and Manse Roads are collinear, so in the list we could show them as • Sewells Road – Conlins Road – Manse Road • . We would add text describing the feature (new text in bold): "Roads are listed alphabetically, but from west to east — with collinear roads (roads along the same line) separated by an en-dash ("–") — they are:". --papageno (talk) 20:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Should Weston Rd be in this Section not North South Streets?

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Weston Road is more of a diagonal road not North/South. Should it not be in this Section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.157.250.90 (talk) 06:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tough to say as it does travel diagonally in most of Toronto except at Steeles, Finch and Sheppard, to the 401. It travels all north/south in Vaughan. I think it is still considered north/south for the most part. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weston is more north-south as the diagonal section is more north-north-west rather than north-west. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 19:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Weston is a north–south street. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:48, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Weston Road belongs in the List of north–south roads in Toronto article and is already there. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sort north–south roads from east to west?

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I think we should sort the north–south roads from east to west as that seems more helpful then sorting alphabetically. Of-course, it seems like a big task, so I want to get some opinions first. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 05:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't jane street have its own page?

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i understand that unnotable pages in 2010-2015 era of wikipedia of toronto streets were changed to a redirect for being unnotable and having little information, but jane street is a street that has lots of things to put in, i made a google doc and in ~3 days i already have a lot of information. if agreed that it could have its own page, and after suggestions of making it better, i could edit jane street to have its own page. Humulator (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I now have a draft article on my sandbox:User:Humulator/sandbox - Wikipedia. can someone please repond if they want jane to be remade, it has lots of possible info. Humulator (talk) 17:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of the many roads in Toronto, it's probably one of the most notable (or infamous). I say go for it. - Floydian τ ¢ 22:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will work on it. Humulator (talk) 13:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
my sandbox's Jane street is ready to be put onto the actual thing i think
My current plan is you guys to review/edit it for a few days until the 26th, when i will change Jane Street(Toronto) will be changed into my sandbox and Jane Street to a redirect to it, unless a major problem comes up
Humulator (talk) 00:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At 3:00 EST or at 19:00 UTC I will be converting Jane Street (Toronto) to the jane in my sandbox, and Jane Street as a redirect to it rather than the list Humulator (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Should just be at Jane Street; we don't disambiguate like the U.S. does unless there are multiple articles with the same title. - Floydian τ ¢ 18:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
alright, will do Humulator (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
alright, im just not going to work on this project anymore, im annoyed.
if someone wants to just go to my sandbox and copy it into jane street(add catagorys). Humulator (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Im putting it back, i think the sources are enough and if anything comes up i am not editing it, I have made most of this article, and I will not edit it unless it is minor, i think we can agree its a good article, it can be improved, but I will not be the one to do it. Humulator (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Roads are not automatically notable just because they exist. To establish Jane Street as notable enough for a Wikipedia article, the sources have to be articles about it in the likes of the Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail, or content about it in books about the history of Toronto — a road's notability cannot be established by maps, photos, TTC schedules or other primary sources, and has to be established by written analysis in published media sources. Sure, it's certainly possible that Jane Street could be notable enough for an article, but the sources you used aren't what it takes to get there. Bearcat (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

that's exactly why i asked if it should have a page, i said like 4 days in advance for you guys to check my sandbox's page, and by what i was told it appeared as good.
You are correct, I will go looking for sources like that, though i was never warned of this before, this is not meant to be a insult if it feels that way, your correct. Humulator (talk) 15:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now that i have gotten home, i noticed you reverted jane street. i do want to say that the article doesn't need to be a redirect, at most my changes with new sources will include a new quote from some source, and if your going to remove jane for not having sources that say its notable, then you may Aswell change streets like Victoria park to redirects Aswell, as like 1/4 current non-redirect pages don't have that quality.
Again, Im not trying to insult you. Humulator (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's something to help. Having been selected for a proposed (and later cancelled) LRT is pretty notable (compared especially to the other sucky articles you mentioned). Just for the record however, I never said it appeared good, I just told you that it probably is notable, and the title it should use. - Floydian τ ¢ 19:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
is it possible for a no pay link? Edit : actually that will do, thank you. The headline has enough info Humulator (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've just sent you an email. If you respond to it, I can send a PDF of the full article to you. - Floydian τ ¢ 12:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine Humulator (talk) 13:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not all pages/redirects are on the Streets in Toronto Template

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I just want to post here, as I don't think many people check the talk on Streets in Toronto temeplate.

I posted something there; I just want a response on it. A discussion should be on the templates talk. Humulator (talk) 00:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

North-south page is sorted alphabetically but the East-West page is based on geographical location?

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I'm posting a lot here, but this doesn't make sense. We should all agree to one order. I'd say alphabetically is probably best. Humulator (talk) 03:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be geographic, was changed with this edit. I have no opinion either way, but agree that they should be consistent. - Floydian τ ¢ 13:57, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To add another twist on consistency, do we know what approach is taken in other major cities, IE is the geographical or alphabetical approach used? --papageno (talk) 04:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd assume most are alphabetical, as many cities are cul-de-sac type roads. Humulator (talk) 04:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will alphabetize the east-west page this unless there are any objections, the order for the currect version is:
Adelaide Street, Annette Street, Bloor Street, Blythwood Road, Burnhamthorpe Road, Carlton Street, College Street, Cummer Avenue, Danforth Avenue, Davenport Road, Davisville Avenue, Dixon Road, Dundas Street, Dupont Street, Eastern Avenue, Eglinton Avenue, Ellesmere Road, Finch Avenue, Front Street, Gerrard Street, Glencairn Avenue, Harbord Street, King Street, Lake Shore Boulevard, Lawrence Avenue, Mill Street, Millwood Road, O'Connor Drive, Orfus Road, Overlea Boulevard, Queen Street, Queens Quay, Rathburn Road, Richmond Street, Rogers Road, Roselawn Avenue, Sheppard Avenue, St. Clair Avenue, Steeles Avenue, The Queensway, Wellesley Street, Wellington Street, Wilson Avenue, York Mills Road. Humulator (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are articles that require disambiguation with a (Toronto) or , Toronto

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Recently @Liz Changed Queen and king to end in a ", Toronto" rather than a (Toronto). But streets such as Queens quay end in a (Toronto), as well as a few others. However streets in other city's in ontario such as Hamiton have a ", Hamiton". Whats the standard? Humulator (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think those moves were misplaced. Especially the Hamilton and Dundas articles which I feel should be Hamilton, Ontario and Dundas, Ontario, respectively, due to the Australian and New Zealand cities of the same name. On the other hand, we have List of numbered roads in Middlesex County, Ontario. - Floydian τ ¢ 01:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Jane Street" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Jane Street has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 6 § Jane Street until a consensus is reached. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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