Talk:Mary Rogers

Crime Library version

• The website Crime Library has a theroy which explains Rogers murder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.102 (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

This would be the kind of thing that would make a good external link. Do you have the web site? --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The link is http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/mary_rogers/index.html though I'm not sure how to best integrate it into the article. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistent?

"Mary Rogers was a beautiful woman who grew up as the only child of her widowed mother. At the age of twenty, Mary lived in the boarding house that was run by her mother, although it was her amazing beauty that made her the talk of the neighborhood.[2] Her father died in a steamboat explosion when she was 17 years old" - If her father died when Mary was 17, how could she have grown up the only child of a WIDOWED mother? We don't usually consider the main years of growing up to be after the age of 17, do we? Or have I missed some-thing?Kdammers (talk) 07:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I would like a response or to see the article changed. 17:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC) Kdammers (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

"Mary Rogers was a beautiful woman who grew up as the only child of her widowed mother..." This is actually poor word choice on the authors behalf, however, she did in fact grow up as the only child to her mother and because he mother's last marital status status was that of a widow, it would still be appropriate, when speaking on the past, to refer to Roger's mother as her "widowed mother." Thus, it does not matter what age her father died. She still grew up an only child to her mother.

"We don't usually consider the main years of growing up to be after the age of 17, do we? Or have I missed some-thing?"

I believe you have.

It is fair to note, especially when reading your comment, that many individual's do not consider themselves fully grown until their early twenties. What one considers the main years of growing up is subjective. Many would say that a majority of "growing up" and "becoming an adult" happens between 16 and 21 while others would contest that it begins when puberty begins; even in some religions, an individual is considered a full adult when they become 13 or 14.

Overall, the author failed at creating a chronological flow in their article, sure, and could have tightened up their writing, but what you deem as inconsistent is merely based in your own personal bias, and is at most, over-scrupulous; however, one can tell that by your dedication in receiving a response for a post that is almost 10 years old. 173.42.60.242 (talk) 20:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Murder?

The lede says she was a murder victim, but the body of the article mentions that there is the possibility that she died as the result of an unsuccessful abortion. That would make the lede misleading. Kdammers (talk) 17:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Because the cause of Mary Roger's death was never identified, and at the time, abortion was a highly illegal and reprehensible act, it makes sense that the newspapers of the era sensationalized Roger's death as a murder. Discussing abortion in the open not only sought to frenzy the over religious public, but also put the women who wanted abortions, and doctors who were brave enough to initiate in abortion techniques, in danger. Thus, history more likely favors the story of Roger's being murder, though neither theory was ever proven.

However, because history has accounted for it as a possible murder, the individual(s) who spent time to get this article together, for people who lack the wherewithal to do the research themselves, most likely went with what the historical information presented at the time.

I would not say this lede is incorrect but could maybe use a 'Possible" in front. Again a small error made by the author by an over-scrupulous reader, but I guess not so over-scrupulous that you did not catch this "mistake" back in your original 2014 review of this article. 173.42.60.242 (talk) 20:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)