Talk:Mars bar

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The Australian entry on this page smacks of corporate porpaganda. Is that alowed???

Something else interesting, they recently had a promotion on that you could win another free bar on 1 out of 6 mars/snickers bars, the ironic thing is, one of australia's biggest retailers of the bars, 7-11, didn't support the promotion and refused to honour it! ROFL! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.186.188.175 (talk • contribs) .

In the US, the Mars bar is a slab of plain (not chocolate) nougat with whole almonds topped with caramel and coated in chocolate. The U.S. Mars bar is not sold overseas.

Actually, it is - at least it was sold in Poland for a while (not anymore), as "Almond Mars". Ausir 15:27, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It is in Australia Aaron Hill 02:51, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This is a mess. There is no coherence between the Mars Bar, Milky Way candy bar and 3 Musketeers articles. Should we follow the US naming and have the chocolate bar info on these three articles? Or have it on two of the three and have a disambiguation page at Milky Way? I most certainly would not support following the US naming conventions. As it stands, it needs to be cleared up (since the content at Milky Way repeats the UK Mars Bar content at Mars Bar). - Mark 08:26, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Mars Bar comparison

According to The Temple ov thee Lemur, the url being http://totl.net/VisibleMars/

So, you wanted to know in great detail what the hell is so different between the American and European mars bar? Did you think your pleas would go unanswered? Fear not, for the people at the Temple ov thee Lemur have brought forth your salvation (salvation, get it? we're talking about food). Well, those crazy brits cooked up the "The VISIBLE MARS BAR Project", not to be confused with any other project.

==U.S. vs. Europe Why are the bars sold in the U.S. made differently than those in Europe?

Some excerpts from "The VISIBLE MARS BAR Project".
British Mars Bar
Weight: 65g
Colour: black
Description: "milk chocolate with soft nougat and caramel centre" (note the British spelling of centre)

American Mars Bar
Weight: 49.9g
Colour: off-yellow
Description: "Creamy Caramel & Nougat"

Capitalization isn't as important to our British friends as it is to those wacky Americans.

I'm American... i don't like Almonds... please please please if we want the Mars bar... give us NO ALMONDS! take the nougat and the caramel center (from our Milky Way) and put it in British milk chocolate... In this case... Think Milky Way But British! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.100.3.169 (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ingredients

or the nutritional information, that's what I was after when I stopped by the page

Me too, would be useful --86.131.82.243 19:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Is Mars dead?

In the Portland, Oregon area, i haven't sen a single Mars bar in about a year. However, there are these new 'Snickers Almond' all over the place.

Is there any practical difference between Snickers Almond and Mars, and is it possible that Snickers Almond has replaced Mars, at least in some locations? --Dodger

They are very different bars. Snickers Almond is NOT the same.. it has less carmel and the nougat is different (peanut based, rather than plain). Also the almonds are in little bits, whereas with the Mars Bar they were big chunks. Cshay 00:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

If they are different, why do they have the same UPCs?

• Mars Almond
• Snickers Almond

Bear in mind that the abbreviated codes expand to a common full-length code. — Nahum Reduta [talk|contribs] 10:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Usefulness as an example?

Reading this article, it's struck me that it could be a useful example if somebody needs to describe confusing regional variations in names of goods; even more so than crisps, chips, biscuits, and the like. Just a thought. Sockatume 06:22, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Regarding the Mars/Milky Way/3 Musketeers thing

Could someone clarify? I really have no idea what the name and marketing difference is.

Oh how I laughed with my siblings explaining these. In the US, at least, a Milky Way is essentially a 3 Musketeers with caramel. In turn, a Mars bar is a Milky Way with almonds; a Snickers bar is a Milky Way with Peanuts. "But what about a Milky Way without caramel?" "That's a 3 Musketeers!" "What about those Snickers bars with almonds?" "Those are Mars bars!" — Nahum Reduta [talk|contribs] 10:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I really can't get my head around this deep-fried Mars Bar thing. Has anyone here actually tried it? Better still, has anyone got a photo of one? How on earth can you deep-fry chocolate? Surely it just melts and becomes an amorphous gew? can it really be served in that form?Palefire 02:57, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

I find it very confusing too... here in Canada we have Mars, 3 musketeers AND milky ways... they appear as 3 different, although similar, products... Maybe that can help someone =) --XC3N

I have eaten a deep-fried Mars bar (well half of one anyway). You coat it in batter and quickly fry it, so it does partially melt but the batter holds it together. Kind of the same principle as deep-fried Brie cheese or even fried ice-cream, which I have seen in restaurants. I don't recommend deep-fried Mars - it is very sickly indeed. -RK

I had one too (at a chip shop in Birmingham). It wasn't as bad as you might think; the batter helps hold it together and it has a gooey center. It is very rich, though, and I don't remember whether I finished it. The batter is the same as on fish and chips, obviously, and its mild flavor doesn't clash with that of the Mars bar; it's mildly salty, but then again so is a Snickers. Not something I'd order again, but not at all revolting. --ProhibitOnions 23:24, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

Table

I think we could use a table outlining the international differences in Mars Bars. A bit like Comparison_of_operating_systems#General_Information. --Commander Keane 11:56, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

	nougat	nougat caramel	nougat caramel almonds	nougat caramel peanuts
USA	3 Musketeers	Milky Way	Snickers Almond (replaced Mars Bar)	Snickers
International	Milky Way	Mars	Mars Almond	Snickers?

I like it! Of course, we should include pictures, logos, etc. as well. ProhibitOnions 18:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a Milky Way Midnight (corresponding to the Mars Midnight, I imagine) in the US, which was originally introduced as Milky Way Dark. It's similar to a normal Milky Way but with a white vanilla nougat and uses dark chocolate as a covering instead of milk chocolate. Pimlottc 22:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

This chart needs to be moved to the Mars Incorporated article since it is talking about the entire Mars product line, not just the Mars bar. 148.87.1.171 23:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I know that in Canada, Mars Almond has now been replaced with Snickers Almond. Furthermore, 3 Musketeers here seems to be just lighter chocolate, or chocolate nougat, covered with a harder chocolate shell. Aericanwizard 18:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Changes in UK bar quality

When I was a teenager the UK Mars Bar used to be a lot chewier and have a higher density and weight than the lightweight modern version. There was a lot more toffee, and in particular the 'foam' was solid. I recall reading newspaper articles about the changes in size and composition of the bar over the years. I am disapointed that the article dosnt mention this. The modern version of a Mars Bar is not as good as it used to be, and for that reason alone I rarely buy it, since I just get the disapointment of remembering that its not half as good as it used to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.12.57 (talk • contribs) .

I also came here to look for the reduction on bar size/weight over the years. Every some years they reduce the size of a bar by some gramms. It would be helpful to have a kind of time table how they reduced the size and weight over the past 20 years.

I used to eat Mars bars pretty often, but then I moved from the UK to the US. recently tried the new British Mars bar, and I was so disappointed - where is that thick chocolate layer that used to resist breaking? Now the bar is a shadow of its former self. I hear it's not as popular as it used to be, and I think the 2002 change has a lot to do with that. It's pretty sad. I would have had no problem with them reducing the overall size, but I think they should have kept the thicknesses the same, so the bar felt the same. Ianbrettcooper (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Spinoffs?

The following were recently removed from the limited editions section

• Mars Delight
• Mars Drink
• Mars Ice Cream

Perhaps they should be added back in a spinoffs section?

M100 15:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes and references

Someone saw fit to "standardise" the references, and in the attempt ended up leaving an empty references section, and with references mixed up with the footnotes in the section headed "footnotes".

IMHO these should be kept separate, and I had done the best I could to keep them this way. I wasn't overjoyed at having to use two different systems to do this, but I didn't see any other way it was possible with Wikipedia's current setup. Sure, the <ref> system is easier to use, but how can we keep separate refs and footnotes this way? Fourohfour 14:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Images

So far the page only has images of Mars packaging, rather than the bar itself. It would be good to see an image of half a bar broken to show the cross-section. I will upload one if no-one else has by the next time I buy a Mars bar. MrBudgens 20:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

A Mars A Day Helps You Work, Rest and Play

I won't add anything to the article, because it would be self-promotion, and may well not meet the criteria for being 'verifiable', but this might be of interest...

The article mentions that the slogan "A Mars A Day Helps You Work, Rest and Play" is often wrongly attributed to Murray Walker - well, I know who actually did come up with it - it was my grandma - see http://pigpog.com/node/2436. I didn't find out until her funeral, just recently. Came as a bit of a surprise. Pigpogm 13:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Posted by Lottie: Years ago when I was at college studying to be a teacher, it was common knowledge at the college that this slogan was invented by my maths teacher - a Mr Dagnall. I didn't know his first name at the time, but after googling a little, it seems to be a well-documented fact that the slogan was invented by a Mr William Dagnall, who I assume was my maths teacher after all. I cannot though find anything out about Mr Dagnall to verify that William Dagnall and Mr Dagnall the college (WMCHE) maths teacher are one and the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.46.4 (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You are both wrong. The slogan was invented by the well known fishing author, “J.R. Hartley” Roxy, the dog. wooF 11:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Nougat in a 3 Musketeers?

I feel very confident in insisting that the 3 Musketeers bar sold in Canada contains no nougat. It's a whipped cholocate filling; nougat is a much denser, paler substance, is it not? --Llewdor 23:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It is nougat with chocolate flavouring added, hence the darker colour. The density of nougat varies with how it is manufactured, some are more dense than others.

Peanut free Mars Bar

The article says that the Mars Bars made in Canada since last July are guaranteed peanut free allergy friendly. I seem to remember that Canadian Mars bars were always peanut free, however last year the manufacturer announced they were going to move production to a plant that also processed peanuts. There was a big protest from people with peanut allergies so they didn't do it, and now that is a big part of their advertising, that they are allergy friendly. Jande9 08:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Canadian Mars have never contained peanuts but have only recently been tested to ensure they contained absolutely no peanut protein.

Yes, Mars in Canada now contain a logo stating "Peanut Free", as opposed to several other products which do not contain peanuts, but must report that they are "made in a facility which processes nuts, and may contain trace amounts". Aericanwizard 18:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I recall around halloween packs of other candies and mars bars were guaranteed nut free, but were only available halloween in snack size packages. (to give to kids of course) 70.73.39.88 (talk) 04:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Mars Big One

Let us not forget the Mars Big One, a "king size" Mars bar from the UK, available a few years ago.

Sadly, I only have a photograph of it in rocket-powered flying form: http://smyth ecentral.150m.com/Smythe%20Central%20Hub_files/image006.jpg Crunchysaviour 17:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Your hosting service whined about hotlinking.... Fourohfour 19:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Mars Bar Currency

I note there is no obvious mention of the Mars Bar currency / link to such a page??

See http://www.ft.com/cms/s/9f128868-68b4-11da-bd30-0000779e2340.html for more detail

Snickers Almond NOT the same as the original

They are very different bars. Snickers Almond is NOT the same.. Snickers has less carmel and the nougat is different (peanut based, rather than plain). Also the almonds are in little bits, whereas with the Mars Bar they were big chunks. Cshay 00:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Total Recall

The trivia section mentions "the book Total Recall" and a character named Hauser. The movie Total Recall, with a character named Hauser, was (I gather) based on Philip K. Dick's story "We Can Remember It for You Wholesale"; was it republished with the movie title, or what? —Tamfang 03:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Philip K. Dick's story is a short story. It appears in the five volume collection of all Dick's short stories published after his death. The paperback volume containing this story is titled Total Recall after the film. The plot of the film departs from the short story in many ways, and a novelisation of the film has been published. The title of the book of the film is, unsurprisingly, Total Recall. Hope that helps. HairyWombat (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. So should "In the book Total Recall" be changed to "In Philip K. Dick's story 'We Can Remember It for You Wholesale'"? I'm guessing the briefcase full of Mars Bars is not in the novelization, as I don't recall any scene where it would fit in the movie. —Tamfang (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall a briefcase full of Mars Bars in the short story. I don't even recall a character called Hauser. The short story takes place entirely on Earth. HairyWombat (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Animal Products

Does anyone know whether the changes involving the use of animal products are limited to chocolate bars manufactured in the U.K., or does it go as far as products made in Canada and the U.S.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.122.93.93 (talk) 15:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

They've reversed this decision now anyway; I've edited the section accordingly. — Matt Eason ^{(Talk &#149; Contribs)} 02:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Original Mars Bar had no caramel

Not sure about the 1930s U.K. version of the Mars bar that the article refers to, but I do know that the U.S. Mars bar contained NO CARAMEL until the mid-to-late 1970s. It was white nougat with whole almonds on top (not mixed in with the nougat), and all covered in milk chocolate. I believe caramel was added around 1977 (yes, I'm old enough to remember). If you need verification, check out any of the pre-1980s Mars bar commercials on YouTube, and you'll see for yourself. superbu 05:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The US Mars Bar that I remember, circa 1965–76, was a slab of milk chocolate with six almonds ("an almond in every bite"), no nougat. I don't think I'm confusing it with a Hershey With Almonds, because (in my mental image) the Hershey bar is distinctly darker, longer & narrower, and its distribution of almonds not so regular. —Tamfang (talk) 03:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

An almond in every bite, 1973, on YouTube —Tamfang (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Note that the spot says nothing about nougat or caramel. —Tamfang (talk) 17:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

The American Mars bar that I remember from the 70's was white nougat, with the six whole almonds in a row, all covered with milk chocolate. I misses those, they were better than the Mars that came after them, which used a darker nougat, added caramel, and used chunks of almonds mixed in.--RLent (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I, too, remember the Mars Toasted Almond Bar (as I recall it being named) as having nougat along with the whole almonds on top, covered in milk chocolate. I remember the switch to the caramel, Snickers looking presentation which was a whole different bar to my mind.THX1136 (talk) 15:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

As far as I know, the addition of caramel didn't occur until mid-to-late 1980, when the packaging was changed to golden yellow with red lettering. WikiPro1981X (talk) 22:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Contents

Currently the article does not give the contents of a UK Mars Bar. The double-sized ones are also worth a mention. JMcC (talk) 09:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

whoever you are...you're absolutely correct. And now I'm even more sad that they are gone :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.166.166.18 (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Not Only Animal Ingredients

Mars bars are also tested on animals , which is further reason for animal activists to boycott the company . Also , this article seems to be ignoring that fact . A site about this topic is MarsCandyKills.Com . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larenbo (talk • contribs) 01:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

New advert

This Guardian Online article might interest whoever edits this page. Seegoon (talk) 10:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

U.S. vs. Europe

Why are the bars sold in the U.S. made differently than those in Europe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.35.214 (talk) 03:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

For a 25 hour day

If I remember correctly, the tagline for Mars in South Africa was: "Mars... for a 25 hour day"

I thought it was rubbish, until I learnt that Martian days are 20min shy of 25 hours. 194.176.201.28 (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

You're thinking of a Bar One, which is identical to a Mars bar, but less expensive. --leuce (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Um...

Snickers contains peanuts, not almonds. SUPER NERD UP UP AND AWAY!--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 20:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Traditional Snickers bars have peanuts, yes. But the line in the article about Snickers is discussing a variation of Snickers which uses almonds instead of peanuts. Metros (talk) 00:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Mars Bar or Mars bar?

Should the title be 'Mars Bar', or 'Mars bar', per MOS? The Mars site has MARS® bar. --hippo43 (talk) 04:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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Mars Bar → Mars bar — Correct spelling is "Mars bar", not "Mars Bar", as "bar" is not part of the brand name. —hippo43 (talk) 00:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

support - sounds like a good idea :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 09:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Since the page is now at Mars (chocolate bar) it may seem moot, but I would say while the official brand name is "Mars" the unofficial name is "Mars Bar" - with a capital B, just as the football teams unofficial names (Canaries, Hammers, Spurs etc.) are capitalised. Rich Farmbrough, 13:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC).

Starbar

"Product designers at The Mars Candy Company in the US put this down to nostalgia over the past hugely popular Starbar, which also contained the same reinvented 'light whipped nougatine.'"

That sentence contains a redirect to Starbar, a Cadbury product, which contained no light nougatine that I recollect (nor does the article indicate that it did). I suspect that the intent was to reference an earlier, very popular but short-lived, Mars product named either Star Bar or 5 Star Bar (can't remember which) - that doesn't seem to have an entry that I can find. Irish Melkite (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Murray Walker

I've removed the section regarding Murray Walker and the slogan "A Mars a day..." This appears to have started off as cited content claiming that Murray was responsible for the slogan, and was cited accordingly. This was then modified to claim that this was erroneous and he wasn't. But the cite was unchanged and there was nothing to verify this new claim. It has recently been changed again, to expand on exactly who wrote the slogan instead of Murray, but again, no cite supplied, and the cite that remained now said the exact opposite of what the article did.

It looks like the original claim is disputed. Usually I would revert it back to this, on the grounds that at least it was verifiable with a cite. But I'm giving those who claim it is wrong a chance to cite their claim for who was responsible instead. If we can get a reliable source that establishes this, then we can do without any mention of Murray. Wikipedia doesn't usually discuss incorrect facts unless they are notable in themselves. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

U.S. Mars Bar doesn't contain almonds?

This is interesting. I had a Mars Bar today, but it had no almonds like the page said it did. I went ahead and erased that, but I think it's weird about the almonds thing. Where'd that come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.101.37 (talk) 03:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The original US Mars bar contained almonds. If it is true that it no longer contains almonds, then it is not really a "relaunch" but something else entirely, since the main thrust of their marketing was to highlight big hunks of almonds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDr9vjc1w50 Cshay (talk) 07:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

U.K. Mars bar is sold in the U.S.

I'm in the US, and I've definitely bought the UK Mars in Publix (sold on the International aisle, in the British section), and pretty sure I've seen/bought them in Kroger in the past also. These are the UK version, imported. I can't recall at the moment for certain, but think I've also seen them in World Market, but haven't been in that store for quite a while. But not entirely accurate to say they're not sold in the US. 98.193.177.44 (talk) 06:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Article title

This article was moved unilaterally from Mars bar sometime over the 2010s after a move discussion in December 2009 settled on 6 January 2010 on moving this article from Mars Bar to Mars bar on account of the word "bar" not being part of the brand name and therefore not a proper noun. The reasoning for the subsequent move was the fact that the brand name for the chocolate bar is simply "Mars". I feel that his focuses too much on the topic's official name, which is a common mistake in move discussions, and I would like to point out that according to WP:COMMONNAME "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". There is also MOS:TIES which states "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation". Examples of formal usage of the term "Mars bar" in British English (considering the bar originated in the United Kingdom), unlike with "Twix" and "Snickers" which are bars made by the same company, are in the British based news sources cited in this article. Another example is the title Deep-fried Mars bar for that article on Wikipedia. Also, the use of the term "Mars bar" is common in everyday speech in British English even when the planet and the Roman god have not already been mentioned which would theoretically eliminate the need for disambiguation. This brings me the the issue of whether natural or parenthetical disambiguation (see Wikipedia:Article titles#Parenthetical disambiguation) is more desirable on the English language Wikipedia for this topic. "Mars bar" is a name clearly many Britons are familiar with when disambiguation is required and would still be useful if natural disambiguation is desirable. Tk420 (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion either way, so just a comment. This isn't a US/UK difference. We called them "Mars bars" here too. The operative word is "called", though. I only know this because I'm old. They haven't sold them here in 20 years. Dan Bloch (talk) 00:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 27 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 20:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Mars (chocolate bar) → Mars bar – As per WP:COMMONNAME and MOS:TIES with "Mars bar" being in common parlance in the bar's country of origin e.g. in the title of the related Deep-fried Mars bar article and considering the last move discussion (Talk:Mars (chocolate_bar)#Requested move) settled on Mars bar before this article was quietly moved unilaterally during the 2010s. I also started this discussion to debate on whether natural disambiguation (see WP:NATDIS) is more desirable than parenthetical disambiguation (see Wikipedia:Article titles#Parenthetical disambiguation) in this case. Tk420 (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. The current article title is the result of a 2011 undiscussed move. The consensus title, per a 2009 RM, is "Mars bar". 162 etc. (talk) 22:57, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The proposed title would provide WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Also, the bar has major ingredients that are not chocolate. It is more of a candy bar or a combination bar than a chocolate bar. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:COMMONNAME. This article should have never been moved without a discussion anyway. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per all above. It's rarely called just "Mars". Station1 (talk) 01:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:UCN and WP:NATDIS, we should always prefer common names and avoid parentheticals when possible. --Jayron32 13:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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