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Pictures of Marion Carpenter

Most pictures (1945-1953) found of Marion Carpenter were from Acme Telephoto sources. These are still copyrighted by New York World-Telegram & Sun Collection. An older age photo of her circa 1984-1989 has unknown credits. Any help trying to find a picture to use for the article would be appreciated. Jrcrin001 (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Picture added

Article is ready for a review to see if it now meets B class criteria. Jrcrin001 (talk) 23:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphan tag

I added links to the article Marion Carpenter. I then removed the maintenance tag. As always, any help appreciated! Jrcrin001 (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review

Peer review Thank you! I will work on it directly. Jrcrin001 (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check link - all good.
DAB - clean.

Jrcrin001 (talk) 01:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I upgraded the article to C-class. It's definitely above start class and it meets almost all of the requirements for B-class according to the quality scale. The only area that is lacking is the references. The refs that point to newsbank are dead. There are some refs that are behind pay walls but I haven't read any wikipedia policy that discourages this. Also the ref for this sentence --> It was not until 1962 when President John F. Kennedy refused to attend the annual dinner until WHCA member Helen Thomas was also allowed to attend that this ban was lifted does not prove this statement to be true. The link displays a 1950s picture of members of the White House Press Corps; there is no mention of Kennedy or Thomas. There are also a couple instances where text is quoted w/o a source such as this sentence --> She "drenched him with a big bowl of navy bean soup" as another photographer was present to take the picture. and this sentence --> She didn't take being "condescended to by the old men's club." They need references because they contain quotes. I made some formatting changes to the article. I fixed the formatting for the references. I also deleted four external links. Two are now being used as references. The third, which was a link to a web page about a man named Marion Carpenter, I deleted because it was not "relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject" WP:EL. The fourth repeated what was already stated in the article. //Gbern3 (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 1962 comment redone to better fit the focus and the link adjusted to include the WHCA annual dinner lifting the ban on females attended higher on the page under "WHCA history" (see paragraph 4). Sorry for the confusion using 1 link for 2 comments. Hopefully the adjustment to the cite will fix this.

The "Drenched" quote and "condescended" and similar quotes in that paragraph come from the Coleman's first article that is now in Newsbank. I confimed this with an old print out of the story and placed his cite for each one.

Thanks for the cleanup and suggestions for new cites. With Cohee (talk) and you, the article is looking much better. Now with the new cites, the article is closer to a B rating. Jrcrin001 (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Newsbank issue

The Nick Coleman articles (1 & 2) on Marion Carpenter had a good link when "Retrieved May 25, 2005" and was good until "As of November 2010 article is now archived in newsbank.com" and is now a pay site. A brief heading of each article can be seen and now purchased at Newsbank.com. BUT, the reference link to Newsbank.com has a complicated and long link. See complete link below. And the Newsbank link uses codes that Wikipedia uses, thus causing an error on the reference section.^[1] If you copy and paste the link into your browser it works fine and Check Link (above) says it is fine, but when clicking on the reference link, it is not fine. This is a problem I do not know how to fix. Any suggestions or help is appreciated. Jrcrin001 (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_multi=SP%7C&p_product=SP&p_theme=realcities2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_site=twincities&s_trackval=SP&s_search_type=keyword&s_dispstring="Marion%20Carpenter"%20AND%20date(all)&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("Marion%20Carpenter")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no

^ Coleman, Nick (Columnist) (November 24, 2002). "Marion Carpenter of St. Paul broke ground as a White House photographer. But she died alone and destitute". Pioneer Press. St. Paul, MN. Retrieved May 25, 2005. As of November 2010 article is now archived in newsbank.com. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); Unknown parameter |&p_product= ignored (help)

Fixed the link (in the article, not here on the talk page). I removed the last part of the link, "&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no", then it worked. Hopefully, it'll keep working. //Gbern3 (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the link today and it doesn't work anymore. I don't know what the problem is. Sorry, I tried. Hopefully someone else can come up with the right fix. //Gbern3 (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedic tone

Borrowing from its journalistic sources, this article seemed to have a human interest tone, with many quotes of humorous stories. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, so I tried to return it to a more objective tone. Featuring an ambitious young woman throwing bean soup and climbing ladders seemed a way to trivialize her, as did her competitors in Washington. Did some reorganizing along the lines of standard headers and approaches. Someone was using census records, but this constitutes OR or original research. Wikipedia editors are supposed to rely on third-party published sources, not their own research, so I deleted the limited content and census records as references. I featured the award in her name and comments in the Legacy section, and deleted comments about the photos found after her death.Parkwells (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[Coleman-1] Coleman, Nick (Columnist) (November 24, 2002). "Marion Carpenter of St. Paul broke ground as a White House photographer. But she died alone and destitute". Pioneer Press. St. Paul, MN. Retrieved May 25, 2005. As of November 2010 article is now archived in newsbank.com. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); Unknown parameter |&p_product= ignored (help)

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