Talk:Manan Joshi

What is "actually" meant by independent reliable sources of Manan Joshi and not just passing mentions?

Mentioning the experienced editors of Wikipedia I know Liz, Ponyo, Explicit, Jclemens, AllyD, JesséCouriano, Shinnosuke15 and the reviewer Celestina007 I very humbly request you all to please explain, "What is actually meant by independent reliable sources of Manan Joshi and not just passing mentions?". This question is not meant against anyone. I just couldn't understand what is meant by adding more independent reliable sources which are not passing mentions.

"Point to be noted": I took the example of Debattama Saha to create this article and you all can see that the sources mentioned in Debattama Saha are the same as I have mentioned in Manan Joshi.

The sources I had given earlier include these: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6] which as you all would know if your "carefully" read them are "indeed" independent sources of "Manan Joshi" and not passing mentions according to WP:NOTABILITY.

I have also added [7], [8] and [9] which add on to the fact of "independent reliable sources" which are not just "passing mentions" according to WP:NOTABILITY.

So can any of you Liz, Ponyo, Explicit, Jclemens, AllyD, JesséCouriano, Shinnosuke15 and Celestina007 please explain to me What is "actually" meant by independent reliable sources of Manan Joshi and not just passing mentions? Which may not be clearly mentioned in WP:NOTABILITY that I may not seem to know about.Only Smiles No Tears (talk) 06:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Only Smiles No Tears: I am not much experienced yet, but I think, 'independent source' mean that the source doesn't have a direct connection with the topic of the article. Such as, if article is about a person, independent source will be the coverage about the person published in national newspapers or reliable online journals. Non-independent source are the posts of the person's social media profile, though they are reliable. That's my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you. Shinnosuke15, 07:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:RS and in particular the section WP:RSEDITORIAL and linked discussion of Churnalism. AllyD (talk) 08:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Shinnosuke15 and AllyD Tysm both of you for sharing your valuable knowledge. That was definitely very worthy piece of information I got from both of you which enriched my knowledge on Wikipedia. Cheers to both of you! Only Smiles No Tears (talk) 13:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Liz, Ponyo and Explicit Since you are administrators of Wikipedia. I have a humble request. Can you please update the "rules" regarding the "different reliable sources" in "Indian media", because firstly, it is very difficult to find "independent sources which are not just passing mentions" because not every "reliable source" will publish news on "Indian media especially those about the television industry". In my knowledge only "Times of India", "ABP News", "Hindustan Times" and maybe two or three others do that. So can you please update them? Moreover, Ig even the "curation tools" of Wikipedia needs to be "upgraded". Lastly, I want to request to please alert the page creator and reviewer of Debattama Saha on how their created and reviewed page is "misguiding" new page creators. Cheers! Only Smiles No Tears (talk) 13:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Only Smiles No Tears, I’m not sure why you are pinging Liz, Ponyo, Explicit & AllyD, who are extremely busy people when you simply could have left a message on my TP, WP:NACTOR requires multiple lead roles in several movies or the actor clinching a prestigious award. A supermajority of the sources you used are in passing and hardly meet WP:SIGCOV. Furthermore lead roles in two movies is not considered “multiple” Furthermore you make use of deprecated Indian sources. I saw this article as above WP:BARE but definitely below WP:BASIC thus I chose the route of marking as reviewed and leaving the {{notability}} tag, (which i have re-introduced by the way) which you hurriedly removed. I also note this comment of yours; “please explain to me What is "actually" meant by independent reliable sources of Manan Joshi and not just passing mentions? Which may not be clearly mentioned in WP:NOTABILITY that I may not seem to know about.” is somewhat rude to the very editors you pinged. In any case please can you show me just 3 of your best sources that show WP:RS standards met and also illustrates or shows how WP:INDEPENDENT & WP:SIGCOV are met? Furthermore, Please do not use TOI. Celestina007 (talk) 23:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Celestina007“I also note this comment of yours;is somewhat rude to the very editors you pinged.” Oh I'm so sorry you felt like that. Honestly, I have felt that some of the reviewers here are also very rude so maybe it is like the saying "As you sow so you reap."

I’m not sure why you are pinging Liz, Ponyo, Explicit & AllyD, who are extremely busy people when you simply could have left a message on my TP Because from my personal experience I have seen how some act like "wolves" here so I wanted to get guidance from the "administrators" and "experienced editors".

WP:NACTOR requires multiple lead roles in several movies or the actor clinching a prestigious award. Then how come the actor Debattama Saha got a passing review? The actor too has done lead in just "3 television shows!" "Was the reviewer there from another planet?"

Furthermore lead roles in two movies is not considered “multiple” Correction please. Liz, Ponyo, Explicit , AllyD, Jclemens, Shinnosuke15 What kind of editors have you "assigned" as reviewers? He/She has not even read the "article" nor the "sources" properly. The actor has played 3 lead roles "2 television shows" and "one international movie" and according to WP:NACTOR an actor having played atleast "2 or more lead roles" passes WP:NACTOR.

A supermajority of the sources you used are in passing and hardly meet WP:SIGCOV. I ask once again. Then how come the actor Debattama Saha's article got the passing review because if the supermajority of the sources in this article don't meet WP:SIGCOV, then even there, "7" of the "9" sources used do not meet WP:SIGCOV.

Furthermore, Please do not use TOI.Liz, Ponyo, Explicit , AllyD, Jclemens, Shinnosuke15 Sorry for pinging you all again and again. But I would like to say this kind of "demand to not use TOI" is a very WP:BITEy behavior from the reviewer. This is India and the best reliable source that any editor can get for "Indian television Industry" is Times of India. How can you expect the editors to give "New York Times" as the reliable source in India? Again point to be noted is that in the article of Debattama Saha, "7" of the "9" sources used are of Times of India. What kind of system is this that for one "article" you permit Times of India to be used but for others you prohibit Times of India to be used?

I saw this article as above WP:BARE but definitely below WP:BASIC thus I chose the route of marking as reviewed and leaving the {{notability}} tag, (which i have re-introduced by the way) which you hurriedly removed. Sorry for removing the tag but I still don't understand What is "actually" meant by independent reliable sources of Manan Joshi and not just passing mentions? Anyhow I don't understand what kind of reviewer you are because all that I can see in you is "your absolute determination to have this article deleted". So please proceed, I'm not going to remove the tag nor can I do anything to stop you. Whatever edits I could do I have already done. Only Smiles No Tears (talk) 01:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Only Smiles No Tears: I'm neither administrator nor reviewer. I'm only a common editor. So it's not possible for me to assign any reviewer. So don't say this to me. Shinnosuke15, 02:36, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry Raj @Shinnosuke15: I was copy pasting the others whom I mentioned in the first line and your name got included. You need not do anything if you are incapable of.

And also if you think Debattama Saha is not notable, you can nominate the article for deletion. Shinnosuke15, 02:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

And also if you think Debattama Saha is not notable, you can nominate the article for deletion. Debattama Saha is a "live-example" of the "biased behavior" followed by some of the "reviewers" and "editors" here and I have seen how the editors try to "justify" that behavior of theirs. Anyhow, what I want is to delete this article Manan Joshi being it's author. Ig you know how to do that. Only Smiles No Tears (talk) 03:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Content history

Manan Joshi was deleted in Jan 2022 because of the creator's request, and restored and moved to draftspace on 23 March as requested by Commonedits. However, the user did a WP:CPMOVE back to Manan Joshi and attempted to delete the draft as a test page. I have now merged the histories and redirected the draft to this article.

Commonedits this is not how you move drafts to article space. Jay (talk) 11:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Jay I'm really very sorry Sir!! Honestly, I have never worked much as an account in Wikipedia. I usually only edit as anonymous user making my ip visible which is why I did not know this part. I apologize for my mistake and will be more careful from the next time onwards.🙏🙏Commonedits (talk) 11:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Dunno

Hello Jay Sir, firstly, thank you so much for your wonderful helping hand in this article Manan Joshi. It was really very appreciative of you. Secondly and most importantly, I reverted some of the edits of two users and an ip because I felt they are not constructive. I did not understand why are they removing the canadian film of Manan Joshi when he has acted in the movie and it is because of that he quit Shubh Laabh - Aapkey Ghar Mein as mentioned in the article. Can I ask you a favor? If you do get time from your busy schedule can you please keep a check on this article, I'm not forcing you but if you can, could you please do it?

One more thing Sir, if you have time can you please tell me how to remove that "dead link" template or could you direct me to the place where I will get information about it?Commonedits (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Why do you feel their edits were not constructive? The Canadian film was removed as unsourced. If you click on the link that says dead link, it will take you to a page where it tells you what to do. Jay (talk) 07:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Jay I'm really sorry if I did something wrong and thank you so much for the information.Commonedits (talk) 08:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Sir @Jay, I found that Commonedits change the birthplace of the BLP (this article) without adding any citation. I'm really not familiar with this subject, could you lend a hand to take a look of the newest changes? Pavlov2 (talk) 09:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Sir @Jay It was not some built-up story or analysis from my side. The reference for the same is here:[10]. This video is a candid chat between the actors Neil Bhatt and Manan Joshi where both find out the common factor between the two is that both are "Gujaratis"(It is given in the very description box of the video of this verified channel that both Neil Bhatt and Manan Joshi are gujaratis). I will add this reference to the article.Commonedits (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Sir @Jay I would like to notify further that user Pavlov is "alleging" me with a "wrong accusation". I had nowhere tried to change the "birthplace" of Manan Joshi. I just changed that Joshi is from "Gujarat instead of Maharashtra" (And I had done it because I was 100% sure that Joshi is a gujarati, having watched the video earlier). You can check the diff:[11] and to make it more clearer, I have added the word "originally" right now:[12]. Sir they are accusing me wrongly, sending me notices and mentally torchering me without even WP:VERIFYing the facts properly! Atleast they should have had the courtesy to check if the "facts" are right (that Joshi is a "gujarati" or not) before "alleging someone"!Commonedits (talk) 10:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2: perhaps what you meant by birthplace is "place of origin", and by "without adding any citation", what you may have meant is he reused an existing reference from another part of the article. Because this is what you said in the notice at his talk page. All that matters is if the source is reliable and can be used as reference to what is stated in the article. I'm not familiar with the subject too, I just happened to undelete this page, and it is now in my watchlist. Jay (talk) 11:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jay: Wow, kudos to your intelligence to turn the plates completely! Anyhow all I want to say is that if there's anything wrong with the information I added then please "feel free" to remove it. After all this is Wikipedia, where editors tend to make mistakes and sending "notices" by constantly spying on each and every move of someone cannot be called "civility". Thank you! Commonedits (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Source

There is a discussion regarding the reliability of cinemacrush.com going on at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#CinemaCrush, and feedback is invited since this article uses the website as a source. Jay (talk) 12:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

It is now archived at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 376#CinemaCrush. Jay (talk) 16:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)