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This article is on Opera. Why the reference to Armonia? Is Opera meant? Assuming this was copied from the MSC Armonia site as a template, I removed the inapplicable text. Kablammo 01:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Accident

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The ship hit a stationary object. In boat-talk, this is an "allision," not a "collision." The verb is "to allide." Dangnabit. ''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shorter Oxford Dictionary: "The action of dashing against", nothing about it being a nautical phrase or that one item is stationary and no rference to the verb. Never come across it before. I suspect, even if correct, it would just confuse the general reader. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:30, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sequence of Collision/Allision

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151.34.59.216 has edited the piece to cliam that the MSC Opera hit the quay before hitting the River Princess'. Video on the Metro website cited, <https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/02/least-five-injured-cruise-ship-smashes-dock-venice-9774386/> clearly shows the collision with the boat happened first. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

totally wrong; first impact is with the quay. please look for better reference.
--151.34.59.216 (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Up to you to cite a reference, the video clearly shows the river boat moving backwards after the collision before the ship hits the quay. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Video showed the moment the 2,100-passenger MSC Opera bumped a nearby river boat early Sunday morning before slamming into the wharf in the San Basilio Terminal on the Giudecca Canal." https://nationalpost.com/news/world/a-massive-cruise-ship-uncontrollably-slammed-into-a-tourist-boat-before-crashing-on-the-dock Peter K Burian (talk) 13:49, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
remember that the video can't see under the water;
anyway, a good point o view is by AIS data, search with google for "Venezia, la ricostruzione dello scontro tra la Msc Opera e il battello River Countess" (lastampa.it), and look the video.
goodbye
--151.34.59.216 (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have edited the text again, in line with the very latest news report from BBC (an hour ago). Editors should not include comments in an article unless they are supported by a source; so our viewing of the video is not relevant. We need to wait until a news agency views it and provides comments. Then, cite that news article. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
lastampa.it, which provides the video, is an italian news agency. (...)
And please, check the "The Emperor's New Clothes" short tale before ask people don't say what they see.
(but what a kind of "consensus-factory" media would you like to made become wikipedia?????)
--151.36.23.8 (talk) 20:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
other about sequence = first quay impact and after riverboat:
search for "Ce passager a filmé le moment où son paquebot percute un quai et un autre bateau à Venise" in google/youtube (watch?v=E2onNRsSPRA), time= 01:09.
my opinion is that you can hear the first touch to the quay, see the vibration of the msc opera at about 00:06; after sliding on the quay, at about 00:20 the River Countess went involved.
(to "synchronize" to other video, take attention on the MSC Opera horn sound and *pauses*)
--151.34.241.52 (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Original source for this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPcTsih97H4
"Cruise ship crashing into pier in Venice"
Jun 2, 2019 - Adrian Lauretti
"Front row seat of my parents cruise ship - MSC Opera crashing into the pier and another boat in Venice."
--5.171.9.90 (talk) 09:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
from travelagentcentral.com "MSC Opera Hits Uniworld's River Countess in Venice, Italy" by Susan J. Young / Jun 2, 2019
On Sunday morning, Travel Agent received this statement from MSC Cruises' U.S. press office:
"Earlier this morning, at around 8.30 AM CET, MSC Opera - while maneuvering towards Venice’s VTP cruise terminals for mooring - experienced a technical issue. Albeit the ship was accompanied by two tugs, she grazed the dock at San Basilio. This also caused a collision with a river boat that was moored there. (...)"
--151.18.128.98 (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Earlier this morning, at around 8.30 AM CET, MSC Opera - while maneuvering towards Venice’s VTP cruise terminals for mooring - experienced a technical issue. Albeit the ship was accompanied by two tugs, she grazed the dock at San Basilio. This also caused a collision with a river boat that was moored there.

Here is a video of the crash. https://globalnews.ca/news/5343498/cruise-ship-collision-venice/ I do NOT see the riverboat moving backwards. Witnesses said the gangplank was out and passengers were running along it to get off the smaller boat. If so, how could it have been moving backwards?????

In videos of the crash, people were seen rushing to disembark from the moored riverboat over a short gangplank, and at least two people were left caught on the walkway as the vessel was dislodged from the pier.

Peter K Burian (talk) 13:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another video, taken from the MSC Opera. Also confirms that the smaller boat was NOT moving backwards. (The clip starts at about 0:28 seconds into the news item). https://abcnews.go.com/International/control-cruise-ships-crashes-tourist-boat-busy-venice/story?id=63432819 Peter K Burian (talk) 13:49, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The boat starts moving backwards after the impact, as I pointed out above. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Check revisions made by Anonymous editor

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I thought the article was fine this morning, but since then, Anonymous keeps making changes to it. I do not want to be the only one to Revert the changes because I will be accused of an Edit War.

Please review the recent edits by Anonymous; @User:Murgatroyd49

Peter K Burian (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have already reverted it once and then, they made some different changes. Peter K Burian (talk) 19:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1) This article is about the MSC Opera, but the most big section is about the venice-crash event
2) 2 picture on this small article, and one is about another ship, so matter that it do not have article.
3) ..and this picture, is just placed not on the venice-crash event, but on totally unrelated text.
4) You force to talk all-about on the venice accident, instead to start an article about this, but you don't want to report that the involved small boat is getting repaired and planned to back in service to july 21
4) You refuse the real fact that first Msc Opera hits the quay and after the boatriver (check above, you just don't reply)
5) ..and this is "fine"?
go on this "fine" article without me.
--151.18.128.98 (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my anonymous friend, yes, it is fine. Two experienced editors worked on it together and it was fine. We cannot use photographs that have not been permitted for Wikipedia. So, none from the recent crash.

It is not relevant whether the dock or the boat was hit first. Repairs to the small ship are not relevant either in an article about an MSC ship. This section of the MSC Opera article is about incidents, so we covered the Venice incident. I don't know why you feel that might be a problem. Peter K Burian (talk) 02:33, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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