Talk:Ludwig Koch (sound recordist)

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Ludwig Karl, or Ludwig Paul - or both?

Although the article is titled Ludwig Karl Koch, the opening sentence explains that he was Ludwig Paul Koch. Does the name really appear in both forms, or is this a slip? Eebahgum (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref #1 does not deliver, so we are faced with a situation. He lived for a long time in England, and unless he claimed to be "Paul" (I am sure he did not), then I suggest we return to the more likely Karl without comment, and delete the inactive reference. Alternatively, we could eliminate the middle name, but I do see that there is an ambiguity if we do so. This might be removed of we chose a adjectival parenthesis, such as: Karl Ludwig ("birdsong" or "animal sounds"). Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking for his birth certificate and was able to locate it in the archive mentioned in the first source link. Here it is: https://d2w9rnfcy7mm78.cloudfront.net/14079566/original_332d699dbb1793d5ad1242f6d182c79e.jpg?1637597568?bc=0 It states that his given name is Paul Ludwig Koch. His fathers name is Karl Theodor Koch (if I can read it correctly) and his mothers name is Auguste Koch but I have trouble to decipher her maiden name. I hope that helps. Cpitschke (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Teaching morse

https://hackaday.com/2020/02/21/learning-morse-code-the-ludwig-koch-way/ speculates that Koch was involved in teaching Morse code... can anybody throw any light on this? MarkMLl (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MarkMLl Probably not. I only find german sources, but it seems to be a different Koch who has been working at the technical university of Braunschweig Germany in 1936. Ludwig Koch: Arbeitspsychologische Untersuchung der Tätigkeit bei der Aufnahme von Morsezeichen, zugleich ein neues Anlernverfahren für Funker. In: Zeitschrift für angewandte Psychologie und Charakterkunde, Band 50, Heft 1 und 2, Februar 1936.

This is the source for his morse publication i found on the web.

In the german list of Ludwig Kochs you can find him under Ludwig Koch (Ingenieur) (1901-??) where it is also stated that he was in the SA. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Koch

Ludwig Koch (the sound recordist) also never was stated to be a psychologist of any sort. Cpitschke (talk) 14:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Paul Ludwig Koch

Requested move 4 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Ludwig Koch (sound recordist). (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ludwig Karl Koch → Ludwig Paul Koch – As I have stated in the discussion before, in his birth certificate his given name is Paul Ludwig Koch. https://d2w9rnfcy7mm78.cloudfront.net/14079566/original_332d699dbb1793d5ad1242f6d182c79e.jpg?1637597568?bc=0 Cpitschke (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—Hey Cpitschke, can you provide evidence as to which of those is the WP:COMMONNAME? 〜 Festucalex • talk 15:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Festucalex: The common name seems to be Ludwig Koch, but the subject isn't the WP:PTOPIC. It's a case of WP:NATDIS. In light of that I'm not sure how to resolve a case like this. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Festucalex Yes the common name is just Ludwig Koch (see his publications and autobiography) here are some examples:

https://thefieldreporter.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/koch2.jpg

https://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/.a/6a00d8341c464853ef0153908645eb970b-pi

https://i.discogs.com/zUAOGJsY8gUbad6ZlTbh7MV2zirZeVNd2qzYmUjcqgU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTEwNDM3/NTA3LTE0OTc0Mjc0/ODUtNjgyNS5qcGVn.jpeg

https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/30717296940.jpg

In articles and the BBC piece about him he is also always just refered to as Ludwig Koch.

I am puzzled to where Karl comes from cause there is no evidence of him having the name Karl.

The only source for Paul Ludwig is from his birth certificate. So I would suggest to either Move to Paul Ludwig Koch or just Ludwig Koch. Cpitschke (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Festucalex I found another source where he is stated as Koch, Ludwig Paul :

https://www.lagis-hessen.de/pnd/13393750X Cpitschke (talk) 09:27, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Ludwig Koch (sound recordist). Seems to have been his WP:COMMONNAME. WP:NATDIS doesn't apply to people. See WP:MIDDLENAME: Adding given names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes this seems to be the best solution. Cpitschke (talk) 07:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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