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What the...? Was he born on the twelfth or the sixth? I've seen Google references for both dates... Dysprosia 04:46, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wow, Dysprosia! We still have 12 February in the lede, but 6 February in the infobox. This discrepancy seems to have been there for the past seven and a half years (!!). Disgraceful.

Anyway, all the other language versions say 6 February, so I'm making both our dates say that. Even if that turns out to be wrong, it's far better to be consistently wrong than speak with forked tongue, the way we've been doing until now. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 08:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I see User:Dysprosia has not edited WP since 2007. Wherever you are, you've finally been vindicated. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 08:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Claim of NPOV

I reverted the article because, on 8 February, the bulk of the article was replaced by the text:

Note: The previous article posted on this site was copied directly from the book "Murder, Inc.: The Story of the Syndicate" by Burton Turkus and Sid Feder. The book does not give an accurate portrayal of the life of Louis Buchalter and was written and published merely to bolster the political career of Thomas Dewey. In reality, Dewey was the person willing to grant clemency to Buchlater if Buchalter were willing to implicate other high ranking members of the national crime syndicate. Buchalter refused and was executed. If Buchalter were the head of the National Crime Syndicate, as Dewey (and Turkus and Feder) claimed, why did it continue to operate uninterrupted after Buchalter's execution?

A more even-handed and objective biography is forthcoming...

Regardless of whether the above claims of both a copyright violation or non-NPOV are true or not, I believe the above text belongs on this talk page rather than as a replacement for the article itself. Robert Mercer 20:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bookhouse? Amboy Dukes

Bookhouse was his name at birth? He was a member of the Amboy Dukes I don't think either is correct. What is the source of all this? Does anyone know?--Mantanmoreland 23:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked the first volume of Buchalter's FBI file, all of which is online [1], and sure enough his birth name was Buchalter. The first of what I suspect is a long line of inaccuracies in this article. "Bookhouse" was one of his aliases.--Mantanmoreland 23:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a mess

No sources whatsoever, dubious statements. It may be 100% factual but it really needs some sources cited in the article. I was going to drop a line to whoever is the principal author of this article to bring this to his or her attention, but that person seems to be lost in the mists of time. --Mantanmoreland 23:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bookhouse

I am pretty sure that Bookhouse was his parents last name and when they came to America people at Ellis Island changed it. Im dont think Buchalter was his real last name becuase it doesn't sound like a jewish name—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.192.143 (talk) 02:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Buchalter is a Jewish name. They didn't have American names while arriving at Ellis Island 8-) (ManoGalinha 20:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

A lot of things can qualify as non-American names. The problem is we don't know what country his family arrived from. This article as a whole is very shoddy. TomNyj0127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

"Buchhalter" is German for "bookkeeper" or accountant (two "h"s, but spelling was optional in German for centuries, or the one "h" might have been lost when the name was recorded by immigration officers). So I'd expect them to have come from a German-speaking area. And Jewish people had and continue to have a wide range of names, so the first comment claiming that it supposedly wasn't a "Jewish name" doesn't really say much. On the other hand "Bookhouse" would have meant they emigrated from an English-speaking country, and there wouldn't have been much of a reason to change that one coming to the US. 87.153.47.91 (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No source and lack of credibility in these statements

Born in 1897 to Eastern European immigrants on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, Buchalter took the nickname "Lepke" at an early age. The name was an abridgement of the diminutive "Lepkeleh" ("Little Louis" in Yiddish) his mother had called him when he was a boy. After his father dies his mothers health began to fail, the doctors recommended she move to a Arizona to live with relatives to improved her health, Lepke was left as his sisters responsibility.

If you don't know what country his parents immigrated from, it doesn't make sense to say they were from Eastern Europe. There'd no citation that they were immigrants either. There is also no citation that he born in the Lower East Side. The first part of the sentence After his father dies his mothers health began to fail also has a couple incorrect spellings. TomNyj0127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

run the streets of NY or control the streets of NY?

it says that he controlled the streets of NY as a child... did somebody perhaps change a statement that might have said he "ran" the streets, which would have been an alternate meaning, as in running wild as a child? it's actually kind of interesting how my mind came up with that explanation, but anyway... 68.175.101.2 (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lepke name

This explanation seems a bit odd, wouldn't little Louis in Yiddish be something like Bisloy, and isn't Lepke a Yiddish / Eastern European word for butterfly ? Unibond (talk) 20:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 December 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Buchalter → Lepke Buchalter – Per WP:COMMONNAME. In the same manner as articles delineating Lester Joseph Gillis a/k/a George Nelson (criminal), Charley Arthur Floyd or George Kelly Barnes use the main title headers Baby Face Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd and Machine Gun Kelly, so should this entry be titled Lepke Buchalter, since that is the name by which he was known to the public. There were also film titles — Baby Face Nelson (film), Pretty Boy Floyd (film), Machine-Gun Kelly (film) and — Lepke (film). I would also support Louis Buchalter → Louis "Lepke" Buchalter if consensus were to skew towards such form of the main header. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:36, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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