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'user :Erik', are you the Wikipedia Thought Police? Do we need you to tell the rest of the community which sources to use on a subject that is inevitably contentious?
IDK where you're from, or what standards you're judging from, but in countries like Canada, Turks are considered "Asian" and thus, people of colour. If there are reliable sources calling his casting "whitewashing", then I don't see why it can't be added. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 11:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's funny to see Sir Sean Connery on the list, given the famous memes comparing him to Ayatollah Khomeini. Jews have been hit the hardest — Jewish actors playing characters of other races (or even other Middle Easterners) are recognized as white, while non-Jewish actors playing Jews are already considered whitewashed. The absolute absence of any clear systematics, and as colleagues have pointed out — a purely American view of the subject, where people do not distinguish such radically different concepts as "ethnicity" and "race". Iktsokh (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the list is problematic. My suggestion would be to drastically cut it down, and provide a few paragraphs of prose rather than a list. We should mention significant historical examples and ones that provide some illustration of the concept. We should collect the strongest sources about whitewashing, not about one individual film, and select our examples from those strong sources. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Things are especially bad with examples with Middle Eastern characters, given that most European and West Asian populations are de facto of the same race, just different anthropological types within it. For this reason, I've included a small clarifying footnote to make this point. Iktsokh (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the list does have a good portion of nonsense, as well as clear cut iconic examples of what is meant; such as the Mickey Rooney/Tiffany role. I agree with above that the prominent, culturally iconic and undeniable examples be given, and cut away the endless chaff.Halbared (talk) 18:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree. Against this background, it is very strange to see the example of Mean Girls, where an actress of Jewish origin plays a Lebanese character. Or with the ethnic Italian Al Pacino who played the Cuban Tony Montana (as if Caucasian Cubans don't exist). Or Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein... It's like people lost the thread of the narrative during editing and strayed from the point. Iktsokh (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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