Talk:List of devices used by Doctor Doom

Time Machine Notes

Doom's time machine has a convoluted history.

http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1321&highlight=immortus

Around August and September of 2003, the issue of Doctor Doom's time machine came up on the boards. It seems that there are two main Doom time machines.

The first was the one in his castle in the Adironacks in the US. This first appeared in FF I#5. As noted by Olshevsky in FF Index#1, X-Men I#145 revealed that this time machine was in his castle in the Adriondacks Mountains. The time machine then appears in FF I#19, still in the castle. In FF#23, it was salvaged and brought to the Baxter Building. At some point after #23 but before Avengers I#56, the time machine was returned to the Adironacks castle. However, Richards made a duplicate of it. Also, Avengers#56 coined the name "The Chrono-Square". This time machine next appeared in MSH#20, the Doom story.

Doom, as noted by Olshevksy in Avengers Index I#7, created a duplicate of his time machine in his Latverian castle, which was first mentioned in Avengers I#137 and 139 and seen in Avengers I#140. Doom did not have one in Latveria in MSH#20, and his Adironacks castle was turned into an amusement park in MTIO#68 before he reclaimed it, so that is why they went to Latveria. This time machine in the Latverian castle next appeared in Marvel Team-Up I#41. It was used through MTU#46, then was used in MTIO#17.

Anyway as pointed out by Don Campbell, a mix-up occurs with this time machine in his Latverian castle's fate:

In Avengers #137, Hawkeye goes off to use Doctor Doom's time machine to go back to the 12th Century to get the Black Knight. In Avengers #139, Iron Man and Moondragon go to an abandoned castle in Latveria but find that the time machine isn't there (a footnote references "#56" as the last time the Avengers were there). In Avengers #140, just as Iron Man and Moondragon are about to leave, the time machine returns with blood on its deck but both IM and MD suspect it's a trap. In Avengers #141, Immortus helps Thor and Moondragon to travel back in time and, after repulsing an attack by Kang, they arrive in the year 1873. A flashback in Avengers #142 shows how Hawkeye, when he was ambushed by Kang, threw things "out of kilter" by fighting back, and then appeared, without the time machine, in the Old West. And finally, in Avengers #144 & 147, Thor, Moodragon, Hawkeye and the Two-Gun Kid use Kang's own time-sphere to travel to the 20th Century.

In West Coast Avengers (vol. 2) #17, the WCA were ambushed by Dominus and sent back in time on Doctor Doom's damaged time machine which Dominus had found after searching in the desert for months and which could only travel backwards in time. And in WCA2 #18, Hawkeye identifies it as the one he used to go to the Old West (and a footnote references Avengers #142-143). However, since Kang returned THAT machine as part of his trap, we know that the machine that Dominus found COULDN'T be the same one that Hawkeye used...so where did it come from?

Also, in every appearance that I can remember, it was only the glowing yellow square of Doom's time machine that travelled in time while the controls STAYED IN THE PRESENT. Except in WCA2 #17-23, where the controls go along with the travellers. Well, I guess it was just more damaged than anybody knew. What a lucky break for the WCA. Or maybe it was Immortus meddling somehow?

As for the FF's time machine, it was a duplicate of Doom's original machine which Reed Richards had improved in various ways. It was destroyed by minions sent by Dominus in WCA2 #22 but Reed Richards and Henry Pym managed to repair/rebuild it in WCA2 #23. Don Campbell

Reed Richards' duplicate of Doom's machine has appeared and been used in FF I#152, G-S FF#2, MTIO#4-5. FF Annual#11 reveals how Doom had used diplomatic pressure to get his time machine back, and features another use of Reed's duplicate. Avengers I#56 (towards the end) and Annual#2 features an alternate Earth's version of Doom's time machine. (What If I#29 reveals that Immortus sent Janet Van Dyne to that Earth.) Enda80 22:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)Enda80

So, does anyone think we might want to add this information - in addition to the fact that Doom has this "Doom-Lock" device tacked on to the time machine where you can actually make changes to the present timeline when you go back to the past, as opposed to creating brand new timelines.--RossF18 (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Doom Devices?

Would Alternate Doom devices count? Doom's inventiveness is a big plot point in Marvel Zombies Vs. Army of Darkness #5. Lots42 11:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

References

The references should really be converted into inline so that they don't cloud the text and appear below.--RossF18 (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)