Talk:List of U.S. Air Force Test Pilot School alumni
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[edit]Graded B are you going to work on the red links and create articles for them ? Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the assessment. Yes, I will work on the red links. It seems odd that the MOL astronaut-selectees don't have articles already. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- Eliminated one red link by adding article on Richard E. Lawyer. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I have seen the comments on the Wikipedia:Featured list candidates you are doing a good job well done Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jim. I do appreciate all the time people take to provide such constructive comments. I'm very impressed with the review process on Wiki. Skeet Shooter (talk) 03:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Missed Michael Fossum, and he's in orbit right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitch402 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing out Michael Fossum. I added him. Skeet Shooter (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Address Remaining Comments from Featured List Nomination
[edit]The Featured List nomination closed before I could address all the comments. The remaining comments are listed below with their disposition. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The archived discussion of the original nomination is located at: Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/Failed_log/August_2008#List_of_USAF_Test_Pilot_School_alumni
Comments from Kumioko
- Some of the list rows have refeences and some don't, recommend adding inline citations for the rest.
Comments from Matthew Edwards
- Perhaps it could be mentioned that there is a test pilot school for the navy?
- Done. Mentioned in the lead when describing exchange programs with other test pilot schools. Skeet Shooter (talk) 14:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ref [10] say "On date September 27, 1956" Is this when it was written?
- Done. To indicate no page numbers are available for reference, text now states "No page numbers in this document; See date of September 27, 1956". Skeet Shooter (talk) 14:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ref [14] has no page number
- Done. Intent was to reference the entire book so I changed the text to read, "The Fastest Man Alive, all". Skeet Shooter (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not done. After additional research and based on WP:CITE#HOW, I removed "pages = all" when referencing an entire book. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Page numbers within a book or article are not required when a citation is for a general description of a book or article
- Not done. After additional research and based on WP:CITE#HOW, I removed "pages = all" when referencing an entire book. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Try to use {{cite web}} and its equivalents
- Done. Replaced all references. Skeet Shooter (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- If each entry is notable, each entry should have a reference
- Done. Added references to each. Skeet Shooter (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you do that, then I think a ref column would be a good addition
- Done. I added the reference to each entry in the "Notable Events" column which already acted as a ref column. Skeet Shooter (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- You could link to Mojave Desert, Southern California or Kern County, just to provide a little more context to readers.
- Could you change "CA" to "California" in the image caption, please?
- With regards to 60A, being the first class in 1960 - is this how the School has named its classes, or is it how you've put it together? If it's the latter, it's WP:OR. I'm just concerned because it's the only one without a reference.
- Done. This is how the school names its classes. I added a reference from the Course Catalog. Skeet Shooter (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments from Rambling Man
- I'd like to see (AFB) after Air Force Base so non-experts know what AFB is on subsequent use.
- I think the lead could be expanded - WP:LEAD would suggest at least two paras.
- Done. Added info on school's history. Skeet Shooter (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- "twenty-six " = 26
- Not done. Since the sentence begins with a spelled-out number ("Thirty-seven TPS graduates..."), I spelled out the second use also per MOS:
- Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- I would link NASA in the lead.
- Because this doesn't contain all alumni, there ought to be a statement of scope.
- Done. The article states, "(TPS) graduated the following notable alumni who made significant contributions to the aerospace field." I also added a footnote indicating "notable" as defined by WP:BIO and WP:MILMOS#NOTE. Does this meet the intent of your comment? Skeet Shooter (talk) 03:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Borman's caption shouldn't end with a full stop.MOS says if one complete sentence in a caption then all sentences, including fragments, should have full stops so check the other captions.
- Done. I don't think any of the captions are full sentences, so I removed the full stops. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- "First female pilot and first female commander of a Space Shuttle" reads a little odd, could be taken she was the first female pilot and then the first female commander of a space shuttle - i guess you mean she was the first female pilot and then commander of a space shuttle? Also her entry in the table doesn't mention her being the first female commander.
- I don't like blank cells - perhaps civilian ranks could have an em-dash (with appropriate key) to indicate that they didn't have a rank.
- Done. Added "n/a" to blank cells to indicate rank is not applicable.
- James M. Taylor has no article, seems a shame, not even a stub if he's notable enough to be on this list? And the other two...
- Not done - Yet. I will work on the missing articles though I hope three red links won't result in an "oppose". WP:WIAFL does permit "a minimal proportion of red links". The individuals with missing articles are all astronaut selectees which appears to fit Wiki notability. I did complete one missing article for Richard E. Lawyer during the first FLC period. Skeet Shooter (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, and rank - does that mean current rank or rank when they left their respective force? Perhaps some of these alumni are still employed and their rank could change?
- Done. Added key to explain rank column. Skeet Shooter (talk) 00:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- What does "(Faith 7)" mean?
- Done. That was the name of the Mercury 9 capsule. I deleted it for consistency with the other entries. Skeet Shooter (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- With lists which have two or more tables with identical columns, I'd prefer to see them made the same width from table to table.
- "BGen. Robert Cardenas, USAF. YB-49 flying wing" - he wasn't a YB-49, presumably he was a test pilot for that platform?
- Done. I had to look that up to be sure, but you are correct :-) He was the chief USAF test pilot. Skeet Shooter (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Bong, is he best ace ever? I'm not sure. I think his picture is probably more appropriate here, as well.
- Not done. With 40 kills, Bong is the highest scoring American ace of all time, and the list does include this "United States" qualifier. But he is a long way from the 352 kills credited to Germany's Erich Hartmann. Although Bong was a very successful fighter pilot, he was not as notable a test pilot as others in this list so I did not use his photo. Skeet Shooter (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- With the heading "pioneers" - I'd definitely talk about this in the lead, what you mean by that and who's included.
- Done. Added description of roles for which alumni are notable. Skeet Shooter (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not clear why your first, third and fourth references are in bold.
- Done. The bolding was caused by my use of the {{cite book}} example at WP:CITEQR which shows three quote marks around the title:
| title = '''REQUIRED'''
I deleted the three quotes in my references. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Instead of "pages", "pp." will do.
- What exactly is AWOH?
- Done. Aerospace Walk of Honor now spelled out. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- "pages 207-208." - "pp. 207–8"
- "482 mph " convert this for our metric friends
- Done. Skeet Shooter (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2008 (UTC).
- NASM should be expanded.
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Are Instructors Considered Alumni?
[edit]Are instructors who did not attend an institution still considered alumni? An editor added Daniel R. Wiley to this article. Wiley did not attend USAF TPS as a student, but he did teach there for a number of years. If Wiley is added, other non-attendees, such as commandant Buzz Aldrin, should be included also. The Wiki article on alumnus states, "The term is sometimes used to refer to a former employee or member of an organization", which to me implies instructors/commanders can be included. Skeet Shooter (talk) 13:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I updated the article to state school faculty are included as alumni. Also added references to support Daniel Wiley’s fly-by-wire work at Wright Field. Skeet Shooter (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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