Talk:List of Love Island (2015 TV series) contestants
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Other appearances
[edit]The other appearances section on this page feels like trivial cruft. This page is concerning cast members who have appeared on this series, not others. If they have appeared on another series, this would be noted on their standalone article, if they have one. If not, it would be noted on the article of the other series they are appearing on, not this one. Therefore, I'm placing this notice to suggest we remove the section. As this could be considered a controversial removal, I'll leave this open for a week for any editors to give their disagreement/agreement. – DarkGlow • 12:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
"Hometown"
[edit]Issue i have noted with the "Hometown" section, and seems to be an issue for multiple revisions. Firstly the way locations are stated is not consistent. "Essex", "Kent", "Devon" etc. is frequently cited, despite being a county and not a town compared to "Norwich" or "Birmingham" (which even then are cities, but close enough). This goes further as some are listed as London, whereas others are listed as specific areas of London (such as Chelsea) - or even just as "East London". Secondly, it seems some of the sources are incorrect in their listing of hometown for competitors. Whilst the show appears to refer to individuals as having a specific "hometown", other articles from the same time period appear to show a different "hometown" location - recent example of an edit being one contestant from "Romford" being listed as "Essex" despite being a few miles outside the border. Sources show the contestant referring to themselves as being from Romford, which would directly contradict the Essex listing. Guess the discussion should be whether "Hometown" should be accurate, or have a note next to it to disclaim that it is not accurate but rather as presented on the show Garfie489 (talk) 00:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia presents information that is supported by reliable sources. If equally reliable sources publish conflicting information, then that should be noted in the article, along with the corresponding sources.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 00:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- So to use the most recent edit example, just doing a quick search it seems it was confirmed on the show that her hometown is Romford [1] - also several articles appear to confuse Romford and Essex, likely due to an incorrect listing by ITV such as [2] . To quote [3] which interviewed the person themselves “We are both Romford girls and we are going to go for pie and mash when she’s back from LA.”. Thus it seems relatively conclusive that she is from Romford, and was at least raised in Romford and living in the area at the time of filming - which would immediately contradict any Essex listing. Romford whilst near Essex, is still several miles away from the border and does not extend into Essex (by the time you are in Essex, it would be described as Brentwood). Also didnt really have a response on the issue of consistency within the category Garfie489 (talk) 19:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's all pretty much original research and synthesis where you are interpreting multiple sources to come to a conclusion that is not explicitly stated.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Heavily disagree. If sources confirm that both the person in question has stated themselves to consider Romford their hometown (3), and has had their partner also confirm to have been told Romford is their hometown (1) - thats not original research to state Romford is their hometown. The only synthesis is the 2nd reference which contains an oxymoron. The conclusion is that she is from Romford, that is explicitly stated by the person themselves - that is their hometown by the very definition of the word. Essex is not a hometown, as it is not a town or city - dictionary definition. Now the issue with stating Romford is the high prevalence of "London" in the list - which could arguably also be a hometown. The only additional research here is that given Romford is in London, it is likely to be the more consistent in line with the rest of the article to state London rather than Romford. To state Essex is both in contradiction with the definition of a hometown, and in contradiction with the fact Romford is not in Essex. Id have thought if a news article accidentally referred to a Glaswegian as English, it would be a rather trivial correction - given the contradictory nature of the source and the known fact they are Glaswegian. Here its similar where better information could be provided, and is rather trivial to disprove the source listed. Garfie489 (talk) 21:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Again, when reliable sources publish contradictory information, the way forward is to note that within the article. Otherwise, editors will continually change the information to correspond with whichever source they're viewing.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Another option is a hidden comment that explains the discrepancy and points to the talk page for further info.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- So which takes precedence? Id have thought a statement by a 1st party (especially given the nature of the statement) would have priority over a 3rd party. It is more likely the 3rd party made an error in publication, compared to the 1st party somehow forgetting where they grew up. Only real reason to use the 3rd party is that it was cited first - but that seems a pretty bad way to order sources. Also doesnt address the issue many other listings do not show hometowns, and representation of hometowns seems highly inconsistent. Garfie489 (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- You could put Romford along with the Romford Recorder source (the Daily Star cannot be used) and include a hidden note for the Essex info and ref, pointing to the talk page. Something along the lines of <!-- Also reported as [[Essex]] per [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/reality-tv/love-island-2021-contestant-millie-court/ Who is Millie Court? Meet the Love Island 2021 contestant]. See the talk page for more information. -->-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Cool, will leave it a week and see if any other contributions. I guess in terms of making the listing consistent is something to leave unresolved? - also yes i realise about the Star issue, just being a primary quote thought was at least bringing to the table in this context. Funny thing for all this effort is i only came to read about one of these contestants in the news and had no idea who they were (not the one being discussed) Garfie489 (talk) 22:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- You could put Romford along with the Romford Recorder source (the Daily Star cannot be used) and include a hidden note for the Essex info and ref, pointing to the talk page. Something along the lines of <!-- Also reported as [[Essex]] per [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/entertainment/reality-tv/love-island-2021-contestant-millie-court/ Who is Millie Court? Meet the Love Island 2021 contestant]. See the talk page for more information. -->-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- So which takes precedence? Id have thought a statement by a 1st party (especially given the nature of the statement) would have priority over a 3rd party. It is more likely the 3rd party made an error in publication, compared to the 1st party somehow forgetting where they grew up. Only real reason to use the 3rd party is that it was cited first - but that seems a pretty bad way to order sources. Also doesnt address the issue many other listings do not show hometowns, and representation of hometowns seems highly inconsistent. Garfie489 (talk) 21:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's all pretty much original research and synthesis where you are interpreting multiple sources to come to a conclusion that is not explicitly stated.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- So to use the most recent edit example, just doing a quick search it seems it was confirmed on the show that her hometown is Romford [1] - also several articles appear to confuse Romford and Essex, likely due to an incorrect listing by ITV such as [2] . To quote [3] which interviewed the person themselves “We are both Romford girls and we are going to go for pie and mash when she’s back from LA.”. Thus it seems relatively conclusive that she is from Romford, and was at least raised in Romford and living in the area at the time of filming - which would immediately contradict any Essex listing. Romford whilst near Essex, is still several miles away from the border and does not extend into Essex (by the time you are in Essex, it would be described as Brentwood). Also didnt really have a response on the issue of consistency within the category Garfie489 (talk) 19:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)