Talk:Mercury (automobile)

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A few things of note

In regards to yesterday's edit war: Here's an explanation.

The Grand Marquis did not become a separate model until 1983. "Grand" was a trim line from 1975 to 1982.
Mercury is by no means a "luxury" brand. It is near-luxury at best, but that doesn't need to be in evey car's description. "Midsize sedan, fullsize sedan, e.g. will do.
A car line does not need to be under both "Recent Models" and "Past Models" at the same time. One or the other.
There are two separate pages for the fullsize-car Monterey and the Freestar Monterey van.

Does that clear things up? I'm not going to change anything without more input though. --Sable232 20:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpfull if you could reference those dates. Viridae ^Talk 20:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to find something reliable to cite. But basically, 1983 was when the Grand Marquis was mechanically divorced from the Marquis and Marquis Brougham. --Sable232 16:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In disputes over content, it's probably better not to revert-war over things that have no references. If you see an unreferenced date that you think is wrong (but not obviously insanely wrong) - then you probably shouldn't change it unless you have a reference to prove your change is correct. Similarly, it's wrong to re-revert unless you have a solid reference. Without a reference, neither of you is 'right' yet! "Luxury" is a value judgement - it doesn't belong in the encyclopedia at all unless you have a reference that asserts that - then you can say "XYZ Car Magazine said the Wibble 200GTX was a luxury car". Why on earth do you have both "Recent" and "Past" models? "Recent" is another value judgement and it doesn't belong here after how many years (months? decades?) does "Recent" become "Past". "Past" and "Present" would be OK. Separate or merged pages for similar cars is a long-running debate at WikiProject::Automobiles. Personally, I'd merge them if the resulting page would be less than 20kBytes - split them if it were more. That's a guideline from WP:FAC and it seems about right to me. SteveBaker 19:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 1950-74 Monterey does not have a single thing in common (outside of the name) with the current Monterey, which is a clone of the Freestar minivan. I actually proposed merging Mercury Monterey to Ford Freestar but didn't get much of a warm reception to that. So there are two different pages.

I was removing "luxury" from the car descriptions for the reason you describe above.

And the introduction date of 1983 is in keeping with the info on Mercury Marquis and Mercury Grand Marquis. I am still looking for a decisive reference outside of what is logically inferred. --Sable232 19:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For now I will restore the old version. --Sable232 06:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While Mercury models are sold in Mexico, the Mercury brand does not really exist. www.mercury.com.mx redirects to lincoln.com.mx for example. Ford has been known to sell a few Mercury cars in Mexico under the Ford brand (sometimes with the Mercury name, others with the Ford name). In at least ocne instance (the 1980s Grand Marquis), the car was a mix; the outside belonged to a Mercury Grand Marquis and the interior belang to a Crown Victoria. I don't have references or citations about this, so I won't go ahead and edit the page, but it'd be something worth researching and adding to the page. --Tundu —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Discontinued in Canada

How come it isn't mentioned that Mercury has already been discontinued in Canada? It hasn't existed here for at least 6 years now.

Ensign Q (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What a concept

It wasn't actually a concept, but a prototype: the 1949 Town Sedan, a 4-door resembling the Suburban. It was never built. (See Street Rodder, 7/94, p.14.) TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 00:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Logo

It has always been my impression that the current Mercury logo is a stylized representation of the wing on the god Mercury's hat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.103.115 (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question about Grille Photo

Currently, the closeup image of the Mercury logo shown in a grille lists it as being from a Grand Marquis. However, I am pretty sure that is a Sable's grille. The Grand Marquis never had a blacked out grille (the Marauder did), while the shape of the grille is more Sable than Marauder. --SteveCof00 (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a Sable's grille. The article was vandalized. I saw it before but I thought I'd reverted it, guess not. --Sable232 (talk) 13:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing up the Mercury article

As it currently stands, repetition of content is probably a bigger issue than verification. Even before the History section moves into a timeline, Mercury-Ford platform sharing is mentioned at least twice, if not three times. As far as the rest of the article goes, the format itself works well, and it's mostly a "work in progress"--SteveCof00 (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see you added sales figures recently. While valuable to have, a couple comments.. First, I think listing each model and each year is too specific. Readers can see recent yearly sales by model on the individual model pages. I would instead suggest one list for all Mercury models by year, and maybe another list for each Mercury model for the time range you have info for. Second, there is a "total production" at the end of each row, but production figures (sometimes given in calendar years) are different from sales figures. --Vossanova ^o< 19:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The production figures/sales figures totals output should be corrected by now (most all the articles have their figures in the latter anyways). If the table were re-organized to display it by total division sales, it would likely have to be changed to 2002-2009, since for some reason, only the Grand Marquis has sales/production figures for 2001 (which would definitely throw off the math). That's still 8 years of figures though. --SteveCof00 (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should be removed. Between being inconsistent (model year production figures for the Grand Marquis and calendar year US-only sales figures for the rest) and being misleading (giving a "total" when several models have the 2001 sales figure missing), I feel it serves little to no useful purpose on this article. There may be an argument for including them on the individual car articles, but not here. --Sable232 (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifications about discontinuation

To avoid the back-and-forth editing, I was able to find out through Mercury's own website that only the Mountaineer was dropped after the 2010 model year. Although there is no product literature listed for it (then again, it hasn't been advertised on TV for over a decade), the 2011 Grand Marquis pricing information is available on their website for comparison purposes, and that's what I used for a reference. In the future, something to work on for this article would be finding sources in order to change the text of the article from future tense to past tense (since it won't be the 4th quarter of 2010 forever). SteveCof00 (talk) 03:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Logo meaning

The section about the meaning of the logo is unsourced, and frankly sounds made up. It's a stylized letter M??? It's a foot with a wing? I'm deleting that since those are purely guesses, and bad ones at that. 99.98.221.223 (talk) 03:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

-- It's possibly both; read up on the origin of the name "Mercury" for a clue as to why the second of those might have some merit. Renaissongsman (talk) 04:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'94 Capri Photo

Are we quite sure the red Capri photo is a '94 model? 'Cuz it sure as heck looks like a '93 XR2 to me ... for one thing, '94's had 5 or 7 spoke wheels; the 3-spoke was a '93 wheel. Renaissongsman (talk) 04:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First Merc'

Odd that there's no photo of the first ('39) Mercury. Several are featured at Mercury Eight. Sca (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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