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Did you know... that the death of Libby Zion resulted in an eponymous law that regulates working hours during medical residency in New York State?

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Discrepancy about date of death

Wapo gives it in Oct. 1984; NYT is supposed to be March, but I haven't found the online article yet. Xasodfuih (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Wapo had a typo. Xasodfuih (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Libby Zion law"

I cannot find any reference that calls the ensuing regulations "Libby Zion law" or "Libby law". This appears to be WP:OR. Xasodfuih (talk) 21:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Xasodfuih. You did a fantastic job at the article. I initially moved Libby Zion to this name because the article was basically about the law and she herself wasn't intrinsically notable per WP:BLP1E. I had in mind to make it into a good article, but that never happened despite sitting on my watchlist. In any case, the term is somewhat notable. Do you have another suggestion for an article name?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 21:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found a few third-party sources that use "Libby Zion law"; by third-party I mean other than her father's articles. So it's good the way it is. Xasodfuih (talk) 02:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coke?

Gosh, No mention of cocaine? working from memory, but she had cocaine in her system but it was below the legal limit upon admission, she had friends visit while in the hospital and there was suspicion she did cocaine with them. Drug test after death was not entered as evidence at trial but there was residue in her nose indicating that she *did coke while in the hospital*. A lot of the evidence was either destroyed or suppressed, but it was very clear that cocaine was a likely contributor.

Turns out the real story was an influential parent of an irresponsible child was unable to face responsibility when bad things happened. Blamed interns, blamed system, blamed anybody he could. Changed law.

US drug companies and medical system -- GUILTY. Drugs made in a hut in Colombia, adulterated in a warehouse in Mexico, and sold on the streets of Spanish Harlem,... no so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.146.118 (talk) 12:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right. In fact, the jury decided she held half of the liability for concealing her cocaine use from the doctors.

The New York Times reported it even before giving the "wrong drug" line: "The jury found that the young woman herself was partly at fault because she did not tell doctors that she had taken cocaine and a host of prescription drugs. And it found that three of her four doctors contributed to her death by giving her the wrong drug . . ." and in the award section: "Because Ms. Zion was found to be 50 percent liable, the defendants are responsible for half that amount." ("Jurors Find Shared Blame In '84 Death" by JAN HOFFMAN; Published: February 7, 1995; http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE6DB1231F934A35751C0A963958260)

But this is Wikipedia, known more for its bias than accuracy, so I'm not going to fix the blatant POV only to have it reverted. Anyone who knows Wikipedia will either go elsewhere for solid info, or will look here on the talk page. --71.203.125.108 (talk) 09:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about the cocaine. But the article as it stands doesn't make sense. Why was she already having all the symptoms of serotonin syndrome on entry to the hospital *before* the meperedine was given? (And if coke + maoi is the answer, surely she'd have realised symptoms began shortly after the coke. But instead she does *more* coke?)86.7.236.192 (talk) 05:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If its properly sources, the cocaine use should be added to the article. That seems pretty significant. 68.115.88.197 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, this entry seems incomplete or there needs to be another entry with a medical analysis. I'm not an expert, but I found a source that seems to go deeper into the discussion on Libby's medical state before entering the hospital and up to her death. Not sure about the reliability of the source, but at least it starts to give a bigger picture. key words: Cocaine, inconclusive cocaine tests, Demerol and Nardil interaction, Nardil and Actifed interaction, sepsis, pneumonia, infected tooth, erythromycin, Streptococcus, petechiae (small hemorrhages)... There may have been a lot going on in that poor girl's body. http://www.med-malpractice.com/Zion27.htm

Cocaine use would be an important contributing factor, by itself with a MAOI can cause the syndrome. Should be at least mentioned.69.140.86.49 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

"...to spell their colleagues..."

Could the use of "spell" be glossed? I think I get it from context, and it's directly from the Washington Post story, but it's a jargony or unusual way to write this. Does it mean to relieve the other person for a while? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.228.171.4 (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]