Talk:Lega per l'Autonomia – Alleanza Lombarda

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Lega Alpina Lumbarda was copied or moved into Lega Alleanza Lombarda with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

On 29 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Lega Autonomia Lombarda to Lega per l'Autonomia – Alleanza Lombarda. The result of the discussion was moved.

Move?

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The result of the move request was: moved. Pretty clear consensus despite the low number of participants, everyone has agreed the proposed title is the common name and its also consistent with similar articles. Jenks24 (talk) 11:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:Most common name and WP:consistency. News sources usually called the party "Lega Alleanza Lombarda", see for instance: La Repubblica (16 hits for "Lega Alleanza Lombarda", one for "Lega per l'Autonomia - Alleanza Lombarda"), and an Italian name would be consistent with Lega Nord, Lega Lombarda, Lega Padana, Lega Autonomia Veneta, Lega Lombardo Veneta, Liga Veneta, Liga Veneta Repubblica, etc. – Checco (talk) 11:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A recent request to speedy delete the target page per G6 was declined by WilyD (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) with the rationale "Recently moved, so would obviously be controversial. Have a discussion". Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 13:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I barred Armbrust's comment because it was against the uncontroversiality of the request, not the request itself. --Checco (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The page was moved by me to a wrong destination and the content of the article was later divided in two pages, Lega Alpina Lumbarda and League for Autonomy - Lombard Alliance (before the article covered both parties), so what's the problem with it? The current name is clearly not the most common, contains a wrong hyphen and is clearly inconsistent with similar pages. --Checco (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I barred also this comment because it was an answer to Ambrust on the request's uncontroversiality. --Checco (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The name "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" (with big words in the symbol) was used by the party to "confuse" the voters of Lega Nord. In addition there are many sources that call this party with its official name--Maremmano (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter (please have a look to WP:Most common name). "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" is the most common name (as I showed, La Repubblica used "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" 16 times out of 17) and the current name is not consistent with similar pages (see WP:consistency) and contains a wrong hyphen. Finally, I have to observe that the main article was moved by Maremmano without consensus, as usual (Maremmano later divided the joint article in two, one "Lega Alpina Lumbarda" and the current one on "Lega Alleanza Lombarda"—and I agree with that). --Checco (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move, citing WP:Most common name, and for the sake of Wiki consistency.--Autospark (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree with the WP:Most common name, but I remember that you opposed yourself to move "Populars-Daisy" to "Populars-Daisy for the Costituent of Centre", that was absolutely the most common name of this party. I know that I'm talking of another party but my question is: Isn't this principle always valid?--Maremmano (talk) 22:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Names need to be clear, short and possibly commonly used. There is no doubt on the fact that "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" would be the most appropriate name for this article, per WP:Most common name and WP:consistency (Lega Nord, Lega Lombarda, Lega Padana, etc.). --Checco (talk) 07:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

New discussion on the name

The name "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" is totally wrong, it is only used in two articles. The correct official short name of the party is "Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda" or "Lega Autonomia Lombarda", name used also for the component in the mist group of the Senate. ([1], [2], [3], [4] etc.). The page has to be moved to Lombard Autonomy League --Maremmano (talk) 19:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with you for the reasons explained in the above discussion. --Checco (talk) 14:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lega Alleanza Lombarda was used only by La Repubblica and some other articles, instead Lega Autonomia Lombarda (or Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda) was a name used by De Paoli and by the Senate. For you is better a name invented by the journalists or an official name used by the leader and in the institutions? Eh?--Maremmano (talk) 10:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't any reason to use an Italian and invented name for this party. I can accept a short name but i can't accept an invented name. The most important and official sources say that the official short name is another. I'll move this page to "Lombard Autonomy League" --Maremmano (talk) 22:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "Lega Autonomia Lombarda" (or "Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda") is the name that was also used by De Paoli, therefore is the most correct short name. I move the page to the english translation, but also the italian name (Lega Autonomia Lombarda) might be acceptable --Maremmano (talk) 08:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well against an English name in this case (it would not be consistent with other Leghe), while I would accept Lega Autonomia Lombarda. However I checked on the web and I saw that the name has very few hits (e.g. zero in La Repubblica's archive). --Checco (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is more important De Paoli or Repubblica? If you don't want the english name I move the page to Lega Autonomia Lombarda, but when I read you that talk of consistency... (sic) --Maremmano (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Maremmano: I rollbacked your most recent move, which is clearly not supported by consensus. As User:Jenks24 commented, when rollbacking your previous move, you should "start a new RM instead of moving the page against existing consensus". I could even give my personal support if you are able to convince me that Lega Autonomia Lombarda is the most common and/or official name. Up to this point, I was not able to find where the Senate website refers to the party that way, while I found several sources referring to the party as Lega Alleanza Lombarda. Generally speaking a third-party source is more relevant than anything else. The main problem here is that you are too often keen on imposing your views without waiting for a proper consensus to be formed. --Checco (talk) 08:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You said "I would accept Lega Autonomia Lombarda" and then you rollbacked my edits! It is evident that "Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda" is a true name while "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" (name without sense) is wrong. The names of parties are decided by the leaders, not by the newspapers!! Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda was used by De Paoli ([5], [6]) and for the component in the Senate ([7], [8]), therefore I don't care if Repubblica didn't use this name. "Lega per l'Autonomia Lombarda", "Lega Autonomia Lombarda", "League for Lombard Autonomy", "Lombard Autonomy League", I agree with all of these names but I can't accept a name such as "Lega Alleanza Lombarda", that was invented by some newspapers. You decide --Maremmano (talk) 08:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The problem, dear Maremmano, is that you too often move pages without waiting for consensus (no surprise that User:Jenks24 rollbacked your move and that the same move was later rollbacked by me). Anyway, you convinced me that "Lega Autonomia Lombarda" is a good name for this article. --Checco (talk) 07:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but you already said that you accepted Lega Autonomia Lombarda--Maremmano (talk) 23:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved - no objections raised and consistent with Italian wiki. (non-admin closure) Lennart97 (talk) 10:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lega Autonomia Lombarda → Lega per l'Autonomia – Alleanza Lombarda – "Lega per l'Autonomia – Alleanza Lombarda" is the real name of this party, "Lega Alleanza Lombarda" or "Lega Autonomia Lombarda" are abbreviations sometimes used by Italian newspapers. An abbreviation as title of the page would be justifiable if it were the most common name, but this is certainly not the case. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 12:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.