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This article was nominated for deletion on 7 March 2021. The result of the discussion was keep.

This page was proposed for deletion by CommanderWaterford (talk · contribs) on 6 March 2021 with the comment:
Clear case of WP:BLP1E, further already covered in several Myanmar related articles
It was contested by Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs) on 2021-03-07 with the comment:
Removed {{Proposed deletion/dated}} tag: per WP:DEPROD

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This topic is may WP:BIO1E, but she became a martyr of Myanmar. Quick search, and it looks like there are a number of sources supporting the subject of this article. I think it would be better to take AFD. Taung Tan (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a Bio

This is not a BIO however allow to add personal info like Death of Chow Tsz-lok#Personal background. Taung Tan (talk) 02:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Andrew Davidson How do you think on this? pls kindly give your opinion ! Taung Tan (talk) 02:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please include only factual material supported by reliable sources. I can find no source that states her father was a barber, nor that she was an only child. WWGB (talk) 03:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait WWGB I'm now searching in Chinese and Burmese news. Will be updated you soon. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 03:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, I found this source in Chinese from Chinese Wikipedia. Check with web translation. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 03:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source for her education and salon name, see [1] in Indonesian soucre, search with "beauty salon called Aye Aye Myint Salon". Taung Tan (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Taung Tan, as now stated several times you are trying to add WP:BIO Information to this article but you yourself moved this article subject from herself about subject being her death only so don't stop adding BIO Information. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see Death of Chow Tsz-lok#Personal background? Wikipedia allow to add bio info in WP:VICTIM articles. Taung Tan (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Taung Tan, please notice WP:OTHER. As told before adding WP:BIO Info to an article which YOU converted into a WP:VICTIM subject in the moment when it was nominated for deletion is highly inappropriate. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommanderWaterford Why Death of Chow Tsz-lok has bio section ? Taung Tan (talk) 10:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommanderWaterford, some GAs and FAs also include background information of the victim (like Death of Ian Tomlinson and Death of Mary Jane Barker). I think the information is fine to keep as long as reliable sources exist. Sun8908 _Talk 14:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sun8908, I am sorry but you are comparing FAs with this one here - which is very far away from being a FA not even a C Class, further the subjects of both articles mentioned had by far more background to present than a young woman who joined a demonstration and was shot (so sadly it is, don't get me wrong). CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommanderWaterford, as WP:FA notice, featured articles are considered to be some of the best articles Wikipedia has to offer, so I think they are worth comparing since I couldn't find any policies related to whether a VICTIM article should contain bio background information. Fewer information to present doesn't mean they are not worth presenting, right? Sun8908 _Talk 03:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you keep adding nonsense like her father was called Mr Salon then it will be removed. WWGB (talk) 10:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WWGB, the editor took it to WP:ANI, we are "refusing to discuss". CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No her parent are both owner! Biased behavior should be stopped. Taung Tan (talk) 10:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it more likely that you will be stopped ..... So her parents are "Mr and Mrs Salon"? WWGB (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? According to source, her parent name are unknown but owner of the "Aye Aye Myint Salon". That's is all. Thanks

You wrote "She was the only child[13] of Aye Aye Myint Salon.[14]". Since she cannot be a child of a business, you must think her parent(s) are "Aye Aye Myint Salon"? Your edits are confusing and frustrating. Regards, WWGB (talk) 10:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WWGB, the Editor said she is retired now (ANI Discussion is closed) and will not edit or reply any further. Let's see for how long. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The last my Explanation and will not reply again, My first added content was "Kyal Sin was the only child[13] of the owner of barber shop Aye Aye Myint Salon." [2], But you fixed it to current version. However this fact is not important for the aricle. It'is Ok ! Btw, Yes CommanderWaterford Pls watch me for how long but miss me. Thanks, tk Taung Tan (talk) 12:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Taung Tan: whatever you may have originally added, you and not someone else are the one who added the sentence that said "She was the only child÷ of Aye Aye Myint Salon" [3]. Do take more care when editing in the future. Also as already pointed out to you, WP:OTHER means ultimately what is in some other article is not a convincing argument for what is covered in this article. But having looked at Death of Chow Tsz-lok (this version [4]), there seem to be some differences between what's there and what you're trying to add here. I can see one detail there is perhaps comparable "was born on 13 August 1997". Maybe "computer science", "second-year" and "undergraduate". The other stuff isn't really comparable. The fact he was a student at "Hong Kong University of Science and Technology" is an important part of the story since it relates to why there was a lot of protest and discussion connected to HKUST. Likewise, the lack of knowledge about his political views, may be relevant since questions were raised whether he was a participant in the protests around where he died. I do not see any similar relevance for the content you were trying to add. Note that people have not removed the Facebook stuff here. This does seem relevant as an indication she understood all too well the dangers of taking part in protests given the history of the Myanmar military. Even the other stuff about her career etc which has less clear relevance has been left. Nil Einne (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody cares about her anymore

Well, it seems to be WP1E. As death toll hit 500, nobody cares about her anymore.. Halskw (talk) 21:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]