Talk:Leib Tropper

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Moredchai Tendler

Why doesn't this article mention Tropper's discrediting Tendler as a way of eliminating competing rabbis who offered conversions? - comment added by Talmudscholar (talk • contribs) 08:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Parents' name

Come on, do we really need a reliable source for his parents' names? I have no idea what they were, but whoever put them in can be presumed to have had some reason to think it was true, perhaps from personal knowledge or from asking the subject. Remember that uncontentious facts do not have to be sourced, even on a BLP. -- Zsero (talk) 17:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In any event the source establishes the name of the grandfather. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:52, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's not what off2riorob is challenging. And if it were at all contentious I would agree with the challenge. But I just don't see the point. My guess is that it was just well known to the person who originally wrote the article. BTW, the source isn't exactly the best quality, either; if the facts recited were to come under serious challenge we couldn't rely on it. But for what it is, it seems to me adequate. -- Zsero (talk) 18:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the original article. I was a student of the Rav HaGaon Tropper Y"Sh and the uncontetious facts have been put in and taken out so many times when everyone around the guy knows these things about him. -- user:Talmudscholar Talmudscholar

Apologies, I was being a bit pointy. Off2riorob (talk) 18:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:BLP Any editor can "Remove any unsourced material to which an editor objects in good faith; or which is a conjectural interpretation of the source or that relies upon a source which does not meet the standards specified in Wikipedia:Verifiability". In this case there it seems there is not a source and any editor is within his rights to remove it. BLP's are held to a much higher standard than other articles. In my opinion all personal information should be sourced including names of parents, children, spouses etc.-- — Kbob • Talk • 18:36, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The key words there are "in good faith". The objecting editor must actually doubt the truth of the information. Uncontentious information does not have to be sourced, even in a BLP. Otherwise articles would be awash in a sea of footnoties. -- Zsero (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, basically, what we have here are a group of Orthodox appologists distorting the Wikipedia rules over and over in a convoluted cover-up and whitewash of multiple scandals that are clearly documented in a manner that satisfied all requirements for non-Orthodox posts. Anyone who has ever met tropper knows this is a recording of him, unmistakably. Anyone who ever went to his yeshiva knows there is a ton of funny stuff going on. If there can be no truth in this post then perhaps it would be more accurate to remove Rabbi Troppers post entirely and just claim that he never existed and was born to a virgin and never commited a single sin and lived 2000 years ago and died on the cross as an expiation for all sins before and since. ~Talmudscholar I appologize I was not logged in while adding that comment, I found my password and am trying to add it now.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.225.70 (talk) 23:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Talmud, while I agree that the topic is well documented and that the current text on the scandal is unnecessarily convoluted, I would say also that name calling and attacking editors is improper and will not lead to any progress in the matter. -- — Kbob • Talk • 16:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These people are not editors, they are apologists. When wikipedia is used to obscure the truth rather than be a source of it, then this is not an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talmudscholar (talk • contribs) 04:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is crystal clear that Mr. Tropper was involved in a sex scandal and an abuse of power that makes him a complete Rasha. While we do believe in tshuva, it is absolutely improper for him to be holding himself out as an educator on character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.217.117.178 (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Get out of town

The citation doesn't work and the comment is completely unexplained, does anyone know anything about this, I couldn,t find anything about it, who made him leave town and why, it's totally unexplained, did he get out of dodge? Citation appears to be to this [1] newsletter? Five_Towns_Jewish_Times Off2riorob (talk) 18:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes -- according to the story which I read, he agreed to the demand of other rabbis in the area that he leave town. Basically, yes, he got out of dodge. While we're at it -- get consensus for change, okay bub? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please try not to be rude. Off2riorob (talk) 18:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, it is not exactly his hometown, but a kind of extreme jewish place where he held positions and due to this controversy they have held a in house committee type thing and want him to give up his positions and then as likely is there right they can ask him to leave this religious enclave or whatever it is, the way it is written doesn't really reflect this at all, its not really a town as I see it but more of a religious community with very limited inhabitants, did he have to leave immediately? Has he left? Off2riorob (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I gather then that you don't understand it very well. "Extreme jewish place"?? Parts of the article are reproduced here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thats the point, people read the article and like me they are not part of this religion and don't get it, it was written in a unclear unexplained way. Off2riorob (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That five jewish towns newsletter is coming up now with a untrusted warning in my browser. Off2riorob (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So then you can learn. According to this logic the article would have to explain what a rabbi is. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added an internal link to rabbi and Yasuda or whatever and the hamlet monsey. That link that is showing as untrusted needs to be sorted out? Off2riorob (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we have to worry about what your browser thinks. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I have tried in good faith to work to improve this article today I have found your civility a bit lacking, good day to you. Off2riorob (talk) 19:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Honorable Mention

Hi. Just stopped in for a visit as per Heshy's recommendation at [2]. Is this, like, the Litvak version of Manis Friedman? 208.102.160.123 (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Death

Was that faked? Talk about ruining a good time! 2600:1017:B0C7:74F8:4002:C3A5:52CF:3346 (talk) 18:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's a l'heure to celebrate the death of a Jew, but maybe that's just me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]