Talk:Kenya/Archive 1

Archive 1

Addition to In Culture Section

Just thinking maybe something about the Weebl's flash animation should go there, referring to this section here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebl%27s_cartoons#kenya —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.202.248.12 (talk) 18:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Administrative Structure

Why, under Administrative Structure is location linked to Township (South Africa)? Is there a better link that someone could put there? Darth Panda 18:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

British Atrocities

I'm planning on adding something along the lines of Imperial Reckoning by Caroline Elkins (also called Britains's Gulag). 1.5 million detained, 100s of thousands tortured, similar numbers dying. Thought I'd give advance notice.

--Mongreilf 19:37, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good, but if you're thinking of going into any detail, consider doing so in Mau Mau or History of Kenya instead. Also, don't forget Wikipedia:NPOV. — Matt Crypto 00:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Telkom corruption example

Current Telecom's policy in Kenya gives Telkom Kenya the monopoly on external internet connectivity. It is inaccurate to state Kenya relies on a single VSAT for internet connectivity. Jambonet has multiple connections to North America, Europe & Asia. Internet service provider's oversubscribe their services to their customers, while not buying enough bandwidth from Jambonet to cater for customer needs. This leads to slow internet access.—Preceding unsigned comment added by XKenya (talk • contribs) 01:38, 11 November, 2004

Do you know that even without looking further, your own statement is inconsistent. See, it doesn't matter how many VSATs that Jumbonet (Telkom Kenya subsidiary) own, what really matter is that Jumbonet is the sole provider of external internet access. (As of the last time i included the paragraph you removed). Dude, the misunderstanding here is on the defination of what "Monopoly" means. Is there anybody willing to be a jury in this disagreement? I have a feeling we wouldn't be going anywhere soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 21:05, 15 April, 2005

Inter-connect ?

This edit seems suspicious: 10:59, 17 Jan 2005 195.219.214.12 (isp) + Established ISP Inter-Connect Ltd. [1]

Is Inter-Connect really worth mentioning on the main Kenya page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.40.27 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 11 March, 2005

Kenya Map

I think it would work better aesthetically to have one map that has the numbered administrative divisions and the major cities of Kenya in the same image. In other words, combine the two maps that are right next to each other now. I can make such a map if no one else can, but is this a good idea? --Danaman5 07:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Mistakes / Typos

Under the colonial history section there is a sentence that reads: "Portugal's main goal in the east coast of Africa was took control of the spice trade from the Arabs."

"took" should be "to take" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beetes (talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 March, 2008

There is no such thing as "Bantu peoples." The article should read "Bantu-speaking peoples," as Bantu is a language family, and not an ethnic group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.94.249 (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese presence in Kenya

Hi, I'm not sure of the dates or exact details (or I'd make the edit myself) but there was definitely a Portuguese Colonial presence in Kenya centuries prior to the British arrival. The evidence of this can be seen in the ruins of Fort Jesus at Mombasa. the Portuguese were themselves supplanted by Omani Arabs who colonised the East coast as far south as Kilwa on the Mozambique border. It's therefore incorrect to suggest that Kenya's colonial Histiry didn't begin untl 1885; that's a very anglo-centric prespective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo berry (talk • contribs) 23:19, 14 January, 2005

Agreed, and well said. However, the Arabs who brought Islam to the region over a thousand years ago, intermarried with the native Bantu populations. The intermarrying of the two cultures can be seen clearly in the inhabitants of Mombasa, Malindi and coastal towns. The Arabs did not colonize and cannot be referred to as such in the European term. The Portugese however deserve further study and should be mentioned. Anyone with information about the Portugese expansion - or lack thereof is welcome to input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.129.68 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 25 September, 2005

Maybe this is too much information, but somewhat clarifies the pre-British colonial presence in Kenya. It is a complicated history to say the least and even this glosses over the subject too much...

The Portuguese colonial presence in East Africa officially begins after 1505, when flagships under the command of Dom Francisco de Almeida bombarded and plundered Kilwa, an island located in what is now southern Tanzania. Following this, the Portuguese sacked Mombasa following the refusal of the town's leadership to pay tribute. Attacks followed on Hoja (now known as Ungwana, located at the mouth of the Tana River), Barawa, Angoche, Pate and other coastal towns until the western Indian Ocean was a safe haven for Portuguese commercial interests and tribute was paid to the Portuguese crown by all of the city-states along the East African coast. The Portuguese colonial presence in East Africa served two primary purposes: the extraction of tribute from coastal polities and the control of trade within the Indian Ocean through piracy. The first objective was only mildly successful by all accounts as local East African rulers rebelled against the Portuguese frequently. However, Portuguese naval vessels were very disruptive to commerce within the western Indian Ocean and were able to demand high tariffs on items transported through the sea due to their strategic control of ports and shipping lanes. The construction of Fort Jesus in Mombasa 1593 was meant to solidify Portuguese hegemony in the region, but their influence was clipped by the British, Dutch and Omani Arab incursions into the region during the 17th century. The Omani Arabs posed the most direct challenge to Portuguese influence in East Africa and besieged Portuguese fortresses, openly attacked naval vessels and completely expelled the Portuguese from the Kenyan and Tanzanian coasts by 1730.

Omani Arab colonization of the Kenyan and Tanzanian coasts brought the once independent city-states under closer foreign scrutiny and domination than was experienced during the Portuguese period. Like their predecessors, the Omani Arabs were primarily able only to control the coastal areas, not the interior. However, the creation of clove plantations, intensification of the slave trade and relocation of the Omani capital to Zanzibar in 1839 by Seyyid Said had the effect of consolidating the Omani power in the region. Arab governance of all the major ports along the East African coast continued until British interests aimed particularly at ending the slave trade and creation of a wage-labor system began to put pressure on Omani rule. By the late 19th century, the slave trade on the open seas had been completely outlawed by the British and the Omani Arabs had little ability to resist the British navy’s ability to enforce the directive. The Omani presence continued in Zanzibar and Pemba until the 1964 revolution, but the official Omani Arab presence in Kenya was checked by German and British seizure of key ports and creation of crucial trade alliances with influential local leaders in the 1880s. However, the Omani Arab legacy in East Africa is currently found through their numerous descendants found along the coast who can directly trace ancestry to Oman and are typically the weathiest and most politically influential members of the Kenyan coastal community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuskerbaridi73 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 20 December, 2005

Really,there's Portguese in Kenya?:User:panicpack121 —Preceding comment was added at 15:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Eastern Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Eastern Africa whose scope would include Kenya. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Protection needed

I am sick of reverting this article because of vandalism. i asked for help (semi-protection). Let's see if it helps. Germ 00:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Page is protectd for 36 hours. If it continues, please tell the administrators at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGerm (talk • contribs) 12:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I just visited this page, only to find it completely vandalised by 193.4.142.75 (although it got auto-repaired before I could undo it myself). It appears from his talk page that he has a habit of doing this sort of thing. Wardog 11:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC):)

Request to archive part of talk page

This page is getting a little long, and some of the requests made here have been met. If possible, I'd like to archive and tidy up this talk page. The input of other users would be greatly appreciated. If no one has any serious objections, I'll effect changes in a week's time. Sunshard (talk) 05:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Tourism

Is there ever going to be any information on this page about the pros and cons of tourism in kenya. Im currently doing a project about tourism so might add that soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randombobproductions (talk • contribs) 16:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Archive 1

on colonization

Does someone have time to review this article and add its narrative and tive It should be easier for people who come to this article to find out about all the issues relating to the 2007 election and subsequent civil conflicts. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how that could be done? The relevant articles include Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–2008). Anchoress (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Etymology of Kenya?

I've always heard that the word Kenya comes from the Gikuyu word Kirinyagga-- the name for Mount Kenya. What's the source for this Masai etymology? --Buddhagazelle 03:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the Masai etymology, but I've done a lot of research into the etymology of Mount Kenya and agree that the name originates from the mountain. Mehmet Karatay 21:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I put a link to that article in the section, but there's a problem: almost all of the details are slightly different between the two. That article says Krapf used Kenia or Kegnia and it gives an entirely separate explanation about Kiinya being the mountain of the ostrich in a local language. Also, this article's section uses the seemingly innocuous phrase "substituted ii for e", which while quite straightforward introduces a hesitancy in interpretation because every once in a while you run into someone who uses that expression exactly the opposite of the way you'd expect (I wish I knew why...). Last but not least, there's the problem of sources - this article sounds like it is the best researched with actual analysis of the original written journal, but it must give way to the other article's version of events unless a source is given. 70.15.116.59 (talk) 18:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

February 2007 census?

In the table, its is stated that the population was 31,138,735 according to a "8 Feburary 2007 census".

Is there a reference to this number, or the existance of such census? if there is it should also appear in the demography section and in "Demographics of Kenya".

The number is lower than 2006 estimates by 3 millions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.178.138.233 (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

GDP Per Capita???

Is kenya's gdp per capita really $-52.89 or is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.101.190.158 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 9 May, 2006

Chris holte (talk) 20:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)looks like vandalism to me. There are all sorts of inaccuracies in this work, and understatements such as "Europeans had undue political influence, possibly because of their economic contributions" which is a real howler considering that Kenya was a crown colony and governed completely by the British, for the British and under a foreign government until the English needed allies against the Mau Mau, who were a freedom fighting group and not particularly worse than any other. If I get a chance I'm going to look up some facts and try to do something with this page.

The CIA FACT BOOK PLACES IT AT $1100

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.64.78 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 21 November, 2006

Hmm... CIA Factbook page retrieved 14/03/08: GDP - per capita (PPP): $1,600 (2007 est.). For that matter, the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics Website is offline. Can anyone find updated versions of the GDP & GDP per capita (PPP)?Sunshard (talk) 08:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Kenya economy from Stiglitz perspective

This is from Globalization and its discontents by Stiglitz "I became aware of this contrast when i first went to Kenya, in the late 1960s. Here is a rich and fertile country, with some of the most valuable land still owned by the old colonial settlers. When i arrived, the colonial civil servants were also still there; now they were called advisers.

As i watched developments in East Africa over the ensuing years, and returned for several visits after becoming chief economist of the world bank, the contrast between the aspirations in the 1960s and the subsequent developments were striking. When i first went, the spirit of uhuru, the swahili word for freedom, and the ujama, the word for self-help, were in the air. When i returned, the government offices were staffed by well-spoken and well-trained Kenyans; but the economy had been sinking for years. Some of the problems-the seemingly rampant corruption- were of Kenya's own making. But the high interest rates which had resulted from its following IMF advice, as well as other problems, could rightly be blamed at least in part on outsiders ....." it was bad man —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.150.229 (talk) 13:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"....The IMF made an issue of corruption in Kenya and halted its relatively small lending program largely because of corruption it witnessed there. Yet, it maintained a flow of money, billion of dollars to Russia and Indonesia. To some, it seemed that while the Fund was overlooking grand larceny, it was taking a strong stand on petty theft...." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 21:48, 15 April, 2005

Stiglitz lived in Kenya between 1969 to 1971 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 21:50, 15 April, 2005

This is an excellent insight into the relationships of the World Bank in vested interest areas of comparative importance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.197.36.198 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 October, 2005

Plagiarism

from the pump

hi my name is mandy and i'm doing a project on kenya, just to let you know, http://www.mapzones.com/world/africa/kenya/historyindex.php - has almost the exact information you do, i know that this is plagarising and i don't know whose plagarising who, but i thought i'd let you know.

1. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids like Homo habilis and Homo erectus lived in Kenya 2.6 million years ago
2. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids lived in the area 2.6 million years ago.

Looks pretty similiar →Raul654 17:50, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

I did a little more tracing. That info was copied into our kenya article from the History of Kenya article. Those sentences were added during this edit by a bot. →Raul654 17:54, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

I suspect that both are derived from some sort of public domain source like the CIA factbook or such. Bkonrad | Talk 18:04, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Such as this from the U.S. State department Bkonrad | Talk 18:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I just realized the question was about plagiarism. Although the information from the U.S. State Department is public domain, that is not copyrighted and can be freely copied, it really should be acknowledged as the source. Copying the information without attribution is plagiarism. Wikipedia (and the other sites that use it) should acknowledge the source of the information. Bkonrad | Talk 18:14, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I added the correspondin note at History of Kenya The bot itself should've been doing this, to avoid suspicions of this kind. Mikkalai 18:17, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Actually the bot in question is the Conversion script which imported data from the old usemod database into the new one. According to its "user page", the usemod histories were imported only later, and

...the conversion script entries in history remained, in most cases appearing to perform whatever was the last edit prior to the conversion.

So the script itself didn't acquire that information from anywhere other than Wikipedia - somebody added it, but their identity is lost in the mists of time. - IMSoP 19:05, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Political Correctness?

I find this article unbelievable. There is no discussion at all of the role of the Kikuyu in the history of Kenya, undoubtedly the most important tribal group even if they only comprise 22% of the population. No mention that they have held most of the power in modern Kenya (although Moi was from the Kalenjin). Kenyatta's enormously important rule is given only one sentence. His probable involvement in the murder of the Luo Tom Mboya is not mentioned although there is some discussion of Oginga Odinga. On the other hand many names are expressed using Kikuyu orthography using a vowel (ũ) which does not exist in the official Swahili language.

Is there some systematic attempt to cover up their role? Chris55 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Pre-colonial history

In this section there's quite a bit about the luos but little mention of other tribes and cultures that were there and quite powerful too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.46.150 (talk) 03:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag

I recently put the unreferenced tag on the Kenya article because of the lack of references, but it has been removed since. I don't think you can call an article of this length with only five references referenced. Of those five references, two are in one image caption which I wrote myself, so there are only three in the rest of the entire article. Ideally every fact should have a reference, as otherwise it is unverifiable and therefore eligible for deletion. Kenya is currently third in the waiting list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check/Opentasks for that WikiProject to have a co-ordinated effort to try and find references. I will put the unreferenced tag back on, please understand that an article of this size should have an absolute minimum of one reference per paragraph. Mehmet Karatay 07:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I would think the external links qualify for references, but even if they don't, then a different template should be used; the {{Unreferenced}} template gives the reader the information there are no references, which is untrue. Octane ^{[improve me]} 05.07.07 2332 (UTC)

Are you happy with the current tag then? If the problem is highlighted then it is more likely to be solved sooner. There is nothing wrong with using websites as references, but if that is the case they should be mentioned under references and not external links. External links are for further reading. As I mentioned earlier, this article is third in the queue at Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check/Opentasks so hopefully the tag shouldn't be there for long. :-) Mehmet Karatay 08:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah; I noticed the tag change a little bit ago. (: Octane ^{[improve me]} 06.07.07 0848 (UTC)

What about Quakerism?

I've heard from a friend (who is both Kenyan and Quaker) that a surprising percentage of Kenyans are Quakers, because of missionary work many, many years ago. Can anyone double-check this? (Probably it doesn't show up right now because of the blur with "Protestantism", in which I suppose the Society of Friends is included.) --Lenoxus 00:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There are no reliable sources about the number of Quakers in Kenya, but they are clearly far below a half percent. So it is not notable. (Yes, I noticed that the question is almost two years old) Best regards, -- R.Schuster (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Worldbank links

These links:

• Doing Business in Kenya The World Bank Group Guide.
• Enterprise Surveys: Kenya
• Privatization Database of Kenya
• Infrastructure Projects in Kenya

Were added by an IP address registered to the World Bank Group (doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the site. -- Siobhan Hansa 21:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Sut min pik tanja

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "IAAF" :
  • IAAF: [http://www.iaaf.org/newsfiles/42196.pdf Changes of Allegiance 1998 to 2005]
  • b

DumZiBoT (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed! -- R.Schuster (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

External links

Hi, there are about 45 links in this section. According to WP:EL many of them are to be avoided or of less importance. IMHO they should be deleted. Which links are important to keep? Best regards, -- R.Schuster (talk) 13:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the list looks long at first. However, the classification seems to break it up enough to make it useful to a reader and they all seem fairly relevant. If there was a separate "Government of Kenya" article, the longest sublist could be moved there, but even that might be a disservice to the reader who doesn't go to that subsidiary article. As someone who used this page for an exploratory trip to Kenya last year, I can say that this does not seem to be the kind of indiscriminate collection of external links that WP:EL is rightly discouraging. They all look useful to me.

Having said that, the one exception is the new subsection that I added last night on "Protest." Those items would be better as references to a section on political protest in the main body of the article. But I'm not knowledgeable enough on the broad issues in Kenya to write such a section, so I put those references here. I'd be happy to see someone else add that section and move these items to become references in it. While such a section also belongs in the "Politics of Kenya" article, there needs to be something about it here as well.

WagePeace (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Length

A number of sections really need to be stripped back because they have their own articles. It really is too lengthy to read in parts. Michellecrisp (talk) 03:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama Kenyan Roots

Shouldn't we include information about Nyang’oma_Kogelo where the father of President-elect Barack obama was born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kewaga (talk • contribs) 07:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, i understand that the "Kenya" has become so popular after Obama won the US presidential election. But this article is about Kenya as a country. I think by mentioning about Obama's father as a Kenyan citizens would be too narrow for this country article. The current leader of Taiwan, Ma Ying Jeou, was born in Hong Kong, but it doesn't mean that all articles of Hong Kong should always have him as features of Hong Kong. Chongkian (talk) January 24, 2009.

Minor grammar edit for the politics section.

As this page is "semi-protected," I guess I'll submit a very minor edit here:

Within the section, "Politics," within "Main article: Politics of Kenya - Current president Mwai Kibaki,"

The current first sentence is:

Kenya is a presidential representative democratic republic, whereby the President was both the head of state and head of government, and of a multi-party system.

The corrected text should change the word "was" to "is" and should read:

Kenya is a presidential representative democratic republic, whereby the President is both the head of state and head of government, and of a multi-party system.

Thanks much,

-Leon Roomberg

Thank you for pointing that out. I made the correction. Cheers! Apparition^{11 Complaints}/Mistakes 13:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I can't work out how to add a new entry on the talk page. On the Criticism section the sentence ... "experienced where health workers and scholars immigrate to", it should be emigrate not immigrate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmansford (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Done, thanks! --R.Schuster (talk) 08:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

labor day, 2009

encompassing, enchanting, eccentrically sophisticated, and bizarrely true is the barbaric regime of Africa. the minimum wage raised to $3 per day while the honorably wages must be raised from $330 per day. food $2, fare $0.50 (most walk), miscellaneous $ 0.10 the rest saved for slum housing landlord. the sardonically ever smiling with blabber and paper reforms, grisly, the peasantry vote for the same enchanter. the redundant, impotent stomaching regime. then the stress flows sweetly like a river soon the con-master arrives with a con plan, as chicken little, they warn us of the falling sky, the remedy, the solution- tribal war. peasant tears down the peasant. hoops! Bwana Bombo. what do you do now? we seem to be down, yet not out Mr. Kick back regime. i assure you, am giving the struggle a thorough try. how many are with me? to topple this ill-gotten scandalous regime. wake up all fallen fighters it is you who fight and run am talking to, peace must prevail in our minds first of all. ++++ Bwana Bombo abodeism@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.207.69.209 (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this vandalism, nonsense, or what?--DThomsen8 (talk) 02:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Call for editors to collaborate on a new African history Wikiproject

All editors with a specific interest in African history are invited to help start a new African history Wikiproject. This is not a substitute for the Africa Wikiproject, but editors with a specific interest in African history would collaborate on improving the quality of African history on Wikipedia. For more details click here or here here.

Ackees (talk) 15:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Kenya does not have a semi-presidential system

The head of state and of government is the President. The position of Prime Minister is merely an accommodative one due to the impasse after the last election. There are few if any actual shared powers between the two, and very little executive authority rests with the Prime Minister, certainly nothing like is the case in semi-presidential systems like the French or the Tanzanian systems.

We are certainly contemplating a move towards a semi-presidential system, but we are not there yet.

Wasswas (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

ODM-K preceded ODM

The split in ODM-K saw Raila Odinga, William Ruto, Musalia Mudavadi, etc leave ODM-K and run under an ODM banner, not the other way around. Kalonzo Musyoka, who went on to win 8% in the presidential election remained in the same party, it was the others that bolted.

Wasswas (talk) 17:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Odinga did not call for election recount

Sigh. It was the other side that called for a national recount. Former Minister Martha Karua did so. ODM not only refused to go to court, the only recount they asked for was in the constituencies that led to Kibaki's victory. Only a slight edit, but it changes the tone of the article from POV to something close to fact.

Wasswas (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

04th Oct 2009 Status of Secondary Education in Kenya

{{editsemiprotected}}

Hi

It is worth noting that secondary education is now also free in Kenya. Parents of children don't have to pay any fees for the tution their students recieve. However (and this is also the case for primary) most schools still get them to pay a fixed termly fee towards school development. (I.E. Improving the existing infrastructure and also purchasing new equipment.) I know this from talking to teachers over the summer who work at Lereshwa Secondary in the Central Province of Kenya (where I worked as a voluntary teacher). You can also find the same information in the following BBC article:

I also know that class sizes have increased due to the lowering of the cost of education. The new form 1 at the school I worked at is around 70 students previous years had ranged between 15-50 depending on the quality of the harvest that year. The 50 was the class following the 15 with the normal size been around 40. In primary class sizes were touching on 100 students quite often 4 years ago and still often are around 70-80. Hence a lot of people (if they can afford to) opt for private education with respect to primary. Due to secondary being set by ability (based on KCPE results) public secondaries are prefered. (They're cheaper and the students are deemed less troublesome at secondary age range. It is students who don't perform well enough (generally speaking) who end up in private secondaries.

Kenya is also working with UNESCO to introduce e-learning in to schools with a sylabus presently being drawn up with trials due to start soon. (One of my friends is high up in the Kenyan Commission to UNESCO.)

Thanks,

David Baker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.110.40 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 4 October 2009

Hello David,

An "editsemiprotected" request needs to be specific - e.g. "Please put THIS at the end of THIS paragraph, with THIS reference". It is a way to request another user adding things on your behalf.

In this case, you seem to be making a suggestion - which is fine, great, but doesn't need the 'editsemiprotected' thing. Left here on the talk page, hopefully someone else working on the article will see it and consider your suggestion.

Alternatively, you could get an account, here - which is totally free, only takes a minute, and has several benefits. Then, after just 4 days and 10 edits, you would be able to edit semi-protected articles yourself (see WP:AUTOCONFIRM).

Thanks again for your suggestion, I hope that explains why I will mark this request as 'not done'. Best,  Chzz  ►  21:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

 Not done  Chzz  ►  21:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Non-Working Source

Under See More, there was a link to an article that was not created called The People of Kenya. I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revilo1000 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Typo

They spelled colonization wrong. But I can't edit it. It was spelled "colonisation".

Corrected, thanks! Brgds, --R.Schuster (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Failing Grade For Free Primary Education

Within the first few weeks more than 1.3 million new students were enrolled. Those who had previously not been able to send their children to school rushed to the school gates and the trend has continued ever since. As free primary education has increased participation and provided children from the poorer strata of society with hope, it has at the same time created significant problems. Rapid expansion of enrolment has overcrowded classrooms and increased the number of pupils to each teacher to such a high rate that it has resulted in a decline in the quality of education. And for the country's poorest there are still a lot of costs to bear that hinder access to schooling. While the government has waived the tuition fee and provides textbooks, other classroom materials such as exercise books are still the parent's responsibility In 1973 a policy of free primary education was introduced but it had to be reversed soon after as teachers and the school infrastructure could not cope with the one million new admissions that arrived in the first two months. In view of these challenges, the research concludes that the attainment of sustained free primary education an illusion in the context of Kenya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aoduor (talk • contribs) 02:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

KCSE and typo.

There is a mistake with how the education/ examination system works. The minimum number of subjects is 7 but candidates can elect to do up to 9 subjects and to get the final grade only the best 7 subjects are considered (not 8 as is mentioned) :) And would it be worth it to note that Kenya uses British English so the spelling of colonisation is with an 's' rather than a 'z'. 149.130.223.238 (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)R.

Climate change vulnerability

This page is locked so I cannot add to it, so perhaps one of you can. Kenya is THE MOST vulnerable country to climate change; see page 830 of the official IPCC report: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg2/ar4-wg2-chapter9.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.229.123.10 (talk) 13:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Health in Kenya

Though I think Health in Kenya deserves a separate article, I suggest a merger as this topic is important enough to figure significantly within this article. Sarcelles (talk) 13:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't support the merger. The Kenya article is already quite long and health should be mentioned only briefly on that article, while there's plenty of room to expand the Health in Kenya article. As you said it's an important topic, doesn't specifically mean that it should have a separate article? Julius Sahara (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merge. Wizzy…☎ 15:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merge. As Julius said. --R.Schuster (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merge. It's significant enough in its own right. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Support Merge- Kenya is an LEDC, which means that the healthth issue is not as advanced for research and observation, rendering it less useful on it's. Or, merging it with other African nations' health may be appropriate.--Aubs 400 (talk) 11:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This header is in the article since last year. Sarcelles (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The header can be removed obviously. Sarcelles (talk) 15:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Education

I suggest that this section should be reduced by a third. Sarcelles (talk) 12:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Which content covering the history of education should be kept? Sarcelles (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Health translation project

Hi there, I'd be interested in getting in touch with a bilingual Swahili speaker who might be able to help us organise a project to translate a large part of the English Wikipedia's health content into this language. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Molecular_and_Cellular_Biology#Translation_project for more details. Although we're not quite ready to go public with this, this article is quite relevant. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge

Merge - The page is a stub and should be included in this article more. CrowzRSA ^{19:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)}

• No. If you are unhappy with the stub status of the Health in Kenya article, then expand it (should not be too difficult). Note that this issue was already discussed above and the merger was unanimously opposed. In fact, the template has been around for quite a while and should had already been removed. Julius Sahara (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Kenyans...

They run fast! 204.184.80.26 (talk) 16:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

History Section: should be neutral POV

I will work on improving this over the next few days/weeks as part of the Kenya Project efforts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrJenkinsPhd (talk • contribs) 19:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Debate: Should we summarize the "Colonial History" section...

I propose we summarize the "colonial History" section. I think the colonial History section is too large and too detailed for an overview section. It has its own page making much of the material on Kenya page rather redundant. It also takes what appears to be a pro-colonial POV lowering the overall quality of the Kenya article.

Here are the proposed changes: [[1]]

Please have a look and discuss the your views here. Be sure to state whether your oppose or support the idea. Thanks.ScottPAnderson (talk) 19:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. I think the Kenya article is now about right in its coverage of the colonial era--we should not be erasing groups (like Indians, Germans and British settlers) who played central roles but who are out of favour with the current government. Let's not be playful by calling them the "English tribe." The History article of course is much more detailed, as it should be.Rjensen (talk) 01:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Coat of Arms

I just want to point out that the coat of arms used as the Kenyan Coat of Arms is wrong. The correct one has 2 male lions. The one that is used here has 2 dragons. Please not the tongue and sharp edges of the tail and other parts of the body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.220.127.93 (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

User:Edgar181 has deleted the coat of arms file which is in over 40 Kenya based articles, just to let everyone know, im in a rush so cant sort it out, will try later if not fixed Pdtyrrell (talk) 09:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

thumb I've just uploaded File:Coat of arms of Kenya.jpg. It is in very low resolution, but I couldn't find any better from official sites. Greetings, --R.Schuster (talk) 18:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Amarteifio, 11 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In June 2010, the World Bank launched the Kenya Economic Update. The biannual report cites that Kenya's economy is expected to grow by 4% in 2010, followed by a potential 4.9% economic growth rate in 2011.

Amarteifio (talk) 03:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

<ref>Fengler, Wolfgang (June 2010). ''Kenya Economic Report.'' (http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,contentMDK:22600594~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:356509,00.html). Research Paper. World Bank.</ref>

 Done CTJF83 pride 18:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Image

Why is there an image of a Maasai man in the demographics section? The Massai are a minority in Kenya. Most Kenyans, well over 95% dress in regular western type clothing. The image is largely misleading and gives a rather false impression of the country and its people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.122.135.5 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 11 January, 2007

Links to Kenyan web directories

• LookSmart - Kenya directory category
• Open Directory Project - Kenya directory category
• Stanford University - Africa South of the Sahara: Kenya directory category
• Columbia University Libraries - African Studies: Kenya directory category
• Yahoo! - Kenya directory category

—Preceding unsigned comment added by PDH (talk • contribs) 05:12, 6 September, 2005

Religion

Seventh day adventist is Christian denomination. Not protestant, they are different from other churches becouse they keep all ten of god's commands, so they cant be put together with churches like anglican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.198.138.143 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 1 October, 2006

It is more likely that the Anglican methods were the start of the early traditions, which have now been accentuated by the Christian demonination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.83.140 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 12 November, 2006

Climate change vulnerability

This page is locked so I cannot add to it, so perhaps one of you can. Kenya is THE MOST vulnerable country to climate change; see page 830 of the official IPCC report: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg2/ar4-wg2-chapter9.pdf

Edit request from Fanyavizuri, 4 August 2010

[request overtaken by events; deleted by author.] Fanyavizuri (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

invisible section

All of that section in the table doesn't appear, I don't know why: |other languages = gKĩkũyũ, Luhya, Luo, Maasai, Meru, Embu, Arabic, Somali, Hindi and numerous others. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 19:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Etymology

"The English meaning of the words is "place with ostriches" in all the three languages. In reference to the black and white plumage of male ostriches."

Is probably intended to read: "The English meaning of the words is "place with ostriches" in all the three languages, in reference to the black and white plumage of male ostriches." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.247.174.247 (talk) 20:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Not agree

The first line of the national anthem is given in English and Swahili. They do not agree with each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.51.100 (talk) 11:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Correct, but that the translation is not exactly literal has been true since its writing, as far as I know. See external links at Ee Mungu Nguvu Yetu, for example. Fanyavizuri (talk) 21:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

politics section incomplete

I would like to inquire as to the lack of note regarding the 2003 elections in Kenya. Not only is there almost no mention of them, but they are the most noteworthy for being the most peaceful elections Kenay has had so far (recent referendum notwithstanding). I believe a more balanced view of voting history in Kenya would include some discussion on this event137.158.152.213 (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} In a similar vein, now that the referendum has passed, it seems that the Grand coalition section needs a quick update. Please change:

"was held on 4th August 2010."

to

"was held on 4th August 2010, and the new constitution passed by a wide margin."

Is this the proper form for such a request? Thank you, Fanyavizuri (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Done --Stickee (talk) 23:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Request from Eng 102-chull

There should be a section telling about the children of Kenya and their problems. Though hospice care has been available in Kenya since 1990, there are only about 30 facilities in the country and none specialize in the treatment of children, which often prevents a proper diagnosis of a child's pain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eng 102-chull (talk • contribs) 17:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Introductory section

There is no need to have the origin of the name in the introductory section. Sarcelles (talk) 12:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Constitutional Changes

the section on political divisions needs to be rewritten due to the recent constitutional changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.245.133 (talk) 04:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Population Ranking

Should be 33rd not 33nd. Please change. Muskydusky (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 212.219.142.152, 4 February 2011

the Name is Usmna Bawa Gando

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.142.152 (talk) 15:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Title of "Pre-colonial history" section contradicts the conent of the section

The section on "Pre-colonial history" mentions Arab and Persian colonization, and thus seems inaptly named. "Pre-European colonial history" might be better, but there were Portuguese in Kenya prior to 1885. The section "Colonial history" is also poorly named; perhaps "British colonial history"? I'm not changing the titles, because I'm not crazy about my proposed alternatives, but I hope someone will think of something both accurate and euphonious. MayerG (talk) 04:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC) School life — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.109.223 (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Adequate Referance?

The section of the page regarding the great wildebeest migration being a natural wonder of the world was referenced from here http://www.kenya.me.uk/kenya/ (under Geography and climate), seeing as the page is in "lockdown" thanks to vandalisers I wanted to check that this ref was OK to add before doing so. Newedges (talk) 08:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newedges (talk • contribs) 08:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello. No, this site is not an adequate reference, because it is just a private blog. Please refer to WP:Verifiability for further details. Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request from Stuligross, 24 June 2011

I would like to add a citation to the portion of the article relating to gvt. criticism. Wiki editors have specifically stated that there is a citation needed for the proposition (from memory) that Kenya suffers from a perception of corruption, which (according to the current article) has improved recently. I would propose that the sentence be changed to indicate that Kenya's development has been challenged by its low ranking in the corruption perception index, with a citation to: http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/in_detail. I would delete the rest of the sentence, because the country (perhaps despite efforts) has consistently been ranked in the bottom 25-30 countries in this index. Thus, while efforts to reduce corruption may (I do not know) have been taken, the perception that the country remains one of the most corrupt countries in the world remains a substantial impediment to private investment.

Proposed change:

Poor governance and corruption have had a negative impact on growth, making it expensive to do business in Kenya. According to Transparency International, Kenya ranks poorly in the corruption perception index. [fn: http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010]

DELETE: though there have been significant improvements in recent times.[citation needed] [THERE HAVE NOT BEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PERCEPTION INDEX RECENTLY, AND WHILE IT IS DIFFICULT TO MEASURE FROM YEAR TO YEAR DUE TO DIFFERING METHODOLOGIES AND SAMPLING, THE STATEMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE LOCATED]

Stuligross (talk) 17:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Secondary Education

There seems to be a contradiction here and few sources:

In January 2003, the Government of Kenya announced the introduction of free primary education. As a result, primary school enrolment increased by about 70%. Secondary and tertiary education enrollment has not increased proportionally because payment is still required for attendance. [...] In 2007 the government issued a statement declaring that from 2008, secondary education would be heavily subsidised, with the government footing all tuition fees.

As far as I know, secondary education in Kenya is still not free even though subsidised and there is also a quality difference between different secondary schools. I will try to find some reliable sources on this issue. Greetings --hroest 11:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Map of Kenya on the infobox is wrong....

The map lacks some current borders. It does not depict Eritrea (Eritrea is shown on the map as part of Ethiopia), Lebanon (There is no border between Lebanon and Syria on the map thus merging the 2 countries in one), South Sudan (Sudan is shown as one). The map also depicts the borders of the former North and South Yemen. It should be fixed to represent the current political reality. --Ecad93 (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Etymology

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34868&mode=linear – "Detective" discovered what appears to be a mistake in the article. Can someone familiar with Kenya please find out more accurate information on the origin and history of Kenya's name and provide sources? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Good spot. I've removed the text for now, as it's unsourced. The Cavalry (Message me) 19:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Map

Kenya within African Union, without disputed territory

Kenya on the globe, with disputed territory

There has been an edit war recently about the map used in the infobox. One of the maps in question shows Kenya without the (disputed) Ilemi Triangle within the African Union. The other shows Kenya on the (Africa-centered) globe. The Ilemi Triangle is rendered in the same colour as Kenya, but separated from it by a white (border) line. This map has the problem (pointed out in a section above) of severe inaccuracies concerning Yemen and Lebanon.

If the Ilemi Triangle article is correct and Kenya has de facto control over the territory, it appears to me that we should use a map with the disputed territory added in a lighter colour. Obviously, the Yemen and Lebanon problems also need to be corrected. (This problem also affects the maps used on many other articles of African countries.)

For some reason the map currently in the infobox does not display for me. There is a red link to an image upload page. I don't understand why, as the file clearly exists. Hans Adler 07:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the standard colour scheme for maps is that if their is de facto control of claimed territory it should simply be dark green, with claimed but not controlled areas being a lighter green. I think I can fix the Yemen thing easily, but Lebanon may be harder. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I managed to fix Yemen and Eritrea by using the frame from the Algeria map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid there is still something wrong with Yemen -- either here or on the map used at Yemen. They have totally different shapes. The shape at Yemen looks more familiar to me, but I may not be up to date. Hans Adler 17:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the border there is not well demarcated, I've seen Yemen in lots of shapes. I don't personally know which one is more correct, but the CIA one is similar to the page at Yemen, so I'll assume that's correct for now. When I said I fixed Yemen I meant I removed that weird white line dividing it. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:11, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

You are right. I guess it's just desert, so nobody really cares where the border runs. Btw, the Yemeni unification happened in 1990, so it is in fact strange that it was ever dividided on this map. Hans Adler 20:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that would explain the line. The original map template must have been quite old. Anyway, I think I may be able to remove the triangle of Saudi Arabia sticking into Yemen in the orthographic map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

It's weird that this map had Montenegro separated while other areas were so weirdly outdated. The West Bank was included in Jordan, and Walvis Bay was separated from Namibia. Anyway, I fixed those and edited the Yemen border. It's probably not impeccably accurate, but I reckon it should suffice. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-Presidential or Presidential?

At the beginning of the politics section Kenya is described as a Presidential republic, however in the infobox it is termed semi-presidential. While it may be said that a semi-presidential system is a type of Presidential system, this is still confusing. Technically Kenya does seem to be semi-presidential, since while the President still has a lot of executive power, the Prime Minister and Cabinet can be dismissed by the National Assembly.--90.204.32.159 (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

President´s Reaction

After the attack on the Naval Base at Pearl Harbor the President of Kenya made a speech. Can a transcript of this speech be included here?

Some Kenyans were divided on whether they should support Churchill. What was the official reaction of the Luo Tribe of Kenya at the time?

General Sir George Watkin Eben James Erskine GCB, KBE, DSO (23 August 1899 – 29 August 1965) was a senior British Army officer. After The War Erskine was Commander of British Forces in Hong Kong in 1946, Director General of the Territorial Army in 1948 to 1949 and GOC British Troops, Egypt and Mediterranean Command in 1949. Returning to the United Kingdom, he became GOC-in-Chief, Eastern Command in 1952. In 1953 he was appointed GOC-in-Chief, East Africa Command where he was responsible for managing the response to the Mau Mau Uprising in Kenya and led Operation Anvil in Nairobi in April 1954. He was GOC-in-Chief, Southern Command from 1955 to 1958 when he retired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.31.140.29 (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 April 2012

The text below the picture of David Rudisha needs to be changed. "Top Kenyan long-distance runner, David Rudisha."

It should be "Top Kenyan middle distance runner, David Rudisha". Jkipr (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 May 2012

Kindly consider updating the coat of arms. While it is a close approximation, it seems to have been independenly created with some errors. The official coat of arms is available on http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/images/gklogo.gif or the one on the banner on this website http://www.information.go.ke/

Kiptum (talk) 15:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Images used on wikipedia need to be properly licensed, see WP:Compatibly licensed. If you can find a properly licensed image to upload, please re-open this request. Monty₈₄₅ 19:16, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

?? Missing sections!!

Did I miss something? In the section on colonial history, the article says how the Mau Mau rebellion was crushed... and then the very next sentence talks about how Kenya had their first elections. What changed?? Red Slash 00:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Child labour subjectivity

The line "The causes of child labour include poverty, the lack of access to education and weak government institutions," found in the Child Labour section of Economy, is highly subjective and Western ethnocentric. There are many cultures around the world (Amish farms, Bolivian labor unions, etc.) which regard child labor as necessary or important and not a problem, and would define poverty, education and the value of "weak government institutions" in a way that this section does not respect. Is it best to qualify this judgment as a culture-bound one, or remove the line entirely? Sirdavid50 (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

City sizes

The geonames link gives very different population sizes to the Wikipedia entry. For example Kisumu is about 216k on the geonames site and nearly 400k on the Wikipedia entry. I do not see a date on the geonames page for the population but I guess it is quite old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Argulator (talk • contribs) 12:21, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 March 2013

The use of "prehistory" to talk about a period going from the dinosaurs to Vasco de Gama (15th century) is chocking. African history does not begin with the colonization. The term "Precolonial history" is more relevant. Thank you for changing that. Paul Columbia university 160.39.207.250 (talk) 15:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Done I think we can consider this a minor edit. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

After thinking about it some more, I have instead added a new section break called "Precolonial history" to the middle of the existing section, consistent with the section breaks in the article History of Kenya, and restored the "Prehistory" title to the paragraphs on pre-human and early human history. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

unbalanced

When discussing the Swahili coast the "Pre-colonial history" section gives too much weight to the Arab and Persian influnces while the Bantu influences are ignored. Books that discuss the coast's Bantu roots include The Swahili: Reconstructing the History and Language of an African Society, 800-1500 and African merchants of the Indian Ocean: Swahili of the East African Coast. One of the sources cited (Hybrid Urbanism) even states that the idea that Swahili civilization came as a result of Arab and Persian colonization has been "layed to rest". LittleJerry (talk) 18:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I would like to see weather patterns in Kisumu, details are missing yet I consider it a major city in Kenya — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.172.21.36 (talk) 09:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Kenya Pacific

Kenya recently tried to pivot to the Pacific. There should be a Wikipedia article on the Kenya pivot and on the Kenya Pacific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.8.206 (talk) 04:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Marketing tool for Evangelists from U.S.

Will Graham is the latest to utilize this country to launch a marketing program. Seems that Kenya is the go to locale for this industry. Certainly a mention or section regarding should e a part of the article.Wikipietime (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Why Spinosaurus?

This has as much to do with Kenya as the Bengal Tiger has to do with Denmark, being that both are in Eurasia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.189.92.142 (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

"Further reading" removal

I'm curious about the big block of Further reading that was just removed completely. Is there a policy against such lists? This one didn't seem a counter-productive component of the article to me. Swliv (talk) 17:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Certainly it is not counterproductive, but. Country articles are large and thus removal of such sections does help to reduce loading time for viewing and editing. I personally have a POV issue with such lists - who decides which books out of hundreds published should be in there? Materialscientist (talk) 21:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

As to scale of articles I think there are other routes to address that; ultimately leading to splitting of articles if they get too large. As to POV issue, you don't cite that as a reason for your removal of this list and your "personally" signals taste rather than policy. I'm not going to restore the list but "am glad we had this talk". Swliv (talk) 17:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Westgate shopping mall attack

I was looking for more info, and could not find anything here. Not even a mention or a link. I am talking about this:

• Westgate shopping mall attack

--Timeshifter (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Human rights abuses by Kenyan Anti-Terrorism Police Unit

I was also looking for more info on the Kenyan Anti-Terrorism Police Unit (ATPU). It has been in the news for alleged human rights abuses, killings, disappearances, beatings, torture, extraordinary rendition, etc..

See numerous articles from reliable sources found with Google searches. For example:

• https://www.google.com/search?q=kenya+anti+terrorism+police+unit

--Timeshifter (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Bloated Kenya article.

I feel that the breaking up of elections into their own sections bloats the wiki. Should every election have it's own subsection? and couldn't it be better if there was a wikipedia article specially for "contested Kenyan elections" that would explain further with just a link to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.88.110 (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

The Coat of Arms is wrong

Kenya's coat of arms has lions, not dragons as shown here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.203.222.34 (talk) 08:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

George Bush

Why is there a George Bush II image on a page about Kenya?
People visiting here to see images of Kenya are confronted by the features of a previous president of a remote country.
His image also resides on pages for Bahrain, Dominican Republic, Gabon, Ghana, Latvia, Mali, Nigeria and Romania.
George Bush Jnr admirers, please place his image on his page only. B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Largest cities and towns

I went over the list of cities and towns in Kenya, trying to locate them on the map. It appears that starting with Kehancha, in a list that includes a number of cities, they do not appear on any map, no matter how recent or high-quality. This seems fishy to say the least, and without deep knowledge on the subject, I assume either of two things: the population figures provided in the article are incorrect; or these are actually agglomerations of villages that officially make up a single municipality (or not), but in practice are neither a city nor a town. In either case, the list should be revisited. Does anyone have more information about this? —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:05, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Confusing climate chart

In the section Kenya#Geography and climate, I can't understand the climate chart. Its title is "Average annual temperatures", but its two temperature columns are labeled " Max" and "Min". An average annual temperature is a single number, not a range.

I tried to figure out what these numbers represent by comparing the numbers in the row for Nairobi with the chart in Nairobi#Climate, but there seems to be no relation. 208.50.124.65 (talk) 01:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is it correct to refer to European and African pronunciation of Kenya? That seems oversimplified. Particularly as the word was actually adopted by the British colonial authorities when English was the official language - which would imply that if there is a European pronunciation that should be the correct one.Royalcourtier (talk) 07:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Madam Priscilla Ingasiani Abwao

Worthy of note as one of the women who went to Lancaster for the Kenyan Constitution. Though she led a very quiet life and was an imminent farmer in Kitale, she shied away from the limelight but her contribution to the development of women empowerment is worthy of note.

First Woman MP Was A Gender Rights Activist And Trail-Blazer Nov 19th, 2009

By NJERI RUGENE and EMEKA-MAYAKA GEKARA

Her journey to the all-male Kenyan Parliament, then known as Legco, started on February 19, 1961, at Ofafa estate in Nairobi. Here, the Kenya African Women League forwarded names of two African women Margaret Kenyatta, daughter of founding President Jomo Kenyatta, and Priscilla Ingasiani Abwao, a social worker and gender rights activist to the colonial governor for nomination to the Legislative Council.

The governor picked Mrs Abwao, making her the first African woman to sit in the Legco. Literature around Mrs Abwao projects her as remarkable woman; a principled advocate for women rights, freedom fighter and trail-blazer with an indomitable spirit to succeed...

Ethnic population

hey its not cool when i trust wikipedia then i realise the info isnt true see this is true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kenya — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.206.50.134 (talk) 09:51, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Pronounce

Any source for the alleged pronounce? I mean, it's clearly not /ˈkɛnjə/ or /ˈkiːnjə/ but /ˈkɛɲə/ or /ˈkiːɲə/.

--46.25.48.186 (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Anti-China smear and pro-American politics

[1] Offending statement: Quote from the section Overall Chinese Investment and Trade:-

"China has been causing environmental and social problems that include the recent suspension of the railway project." This was referenced to the article [96] which is an International Railway Journal (IRJ) news report that the construction of the railway was suspended as a result of Kenya's court ruling.

Quote from the IRJ article: "Justice Charles Kariuki of the Milimani High Court granted an application by a member of the National Assembly for Kibwezi constituency, Mr Patrick Musimba, who argued that residents of Kibwezi have not been properly compensated for land acquired by Kenya Railways Corporation (KRC) for the new line."

The offending statement cannot be justified by this article.

[2] The railway project has restarted, ahead of schedule in completion, and extension of the project is being considered. ref: 2015-10-21 Construction Business Review -

[3] In the Foreign Relations section, there is a clear absence of China which is such a major part of Kenya's international relations. Instead, there is clear graphic suggestion to show the US military relationship to suggest conflict between the US & China in Kenya. The fact is that the US and China presence are complimentary in Kenya and in wider Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwinaTS (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Tourism section

Hello,

the tourism section should say more about the consequences of tourism for the country. Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 12:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2017

Archaeological evidence suggests Kenya as the birthplace of the human race. The Homo habilis inhabited the Rift valley 3.3 million years ago. Alienwhere (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

This should be an addition in the History > Prehistory section. Probably, should come as the first sentence.

• Comment. Several issues here. First, the ref's link is broken, but I'm guessing it's not the most reliable of sources for such a claim. Second, "human race" is an imprecise term, unencyclopedic and potentially confusing. ("Birthplace"—a perfectly good idiomatic word in many other contexts—might be problematic here, too.) Third, from archaeological evidence we can be certain that very early hominids lived in what is now Kenya (it wasn't Kenya at the time), but we cannot be certain that equally early hominids didn't develop concurrently in adjacent areas, e.g., Ethiopia or Tanzania. Perhaps the Prehistory section can be improved, but this isn't the best way forward. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 14:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. So what suggestions do you have regarding this request. Second, since the previous source was "not reliable", I have provided more sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alienwhere (talk • contribs) 19:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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Electrical energy

The entire paragraph on electricity in the Energy section is either incorrect or out of date or both. It says the largest share of electricity comes from geothermal energy, contradicting a Wikipedia article that is referenced right there and and indeed, all Kenya government sources such as the 2017 Economic Survey. Recent changes in the power sector have not been mentioned either and the supposed plans to set up a nuclear power plant by 2017 are not supported by any credible evidence - although there is a body, the Kenya Nuclear Electricity Board, set up to explore the possibility of having one.I'd be happy to update the section if it were not for the protection.Jgichuki (talk) 20:59, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2016

Please check on the driving side of Kenya; its not left, its right. They drive on the right hand side. B.A.L.G.R (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

According to http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Drive-Smart-Blog/Drive-Left-or-Right.aspx , http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Car-Hire-Blog/August-2009/Which-Countries-Drive-on-the-Left,--a-Handy-Guide.aspx , they drive on the left. If you can find a source that states that it drives on the right, re-open. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 18:33, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

As a Kenya resident, I can confirm that Kenyans drive on the left. (I don't know what sources to quote though.)Jgichuki (talk) 21:03, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2017

Under Demographics Ethnic Groups, Somalis are classified as foreign rooted. This is incorrect, they should be included with the rest of the indigenous tribes or left out completely. Let us not mislead people. Abdicarumba (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Pronunciation Reverted

In one of his introductions to The Flame Trees of Thika, Alistair Cooke mentioned working as a journalist in Kenya when it became a republic in 1964. There was a big sign that, by order of President Kenyatta, the country was now to be called "Kennya" not "Keenya." Cooke then noted that, with the death of Kenyatta, people had started calling the country "Keenya" again.

I found this to be true last year when I went to new graduate student orientation at the School of Information Studies, University of Wisconsin Milwaukee -- where I met a new graduate student from Africa who said he came from "Keenya," not "Kennya."

An official check on this might be done so that the pronunciation indicated at the head of the article can be updated.

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Wikipedia generally takes a non-prescriptive stance on such things. Quickly checking some major dictionaries, I see that some list the long-e pronunciation and some don't. Also, there have been some comments in the past on the two pronunciations currently given (see Talk:Kenya/Archive_1), but the discussion doesn't seem to have gone much of anywhere. Can you find any reliable sources (other than dictionaries)? Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 03:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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Obozo

Why isn't Obozo mentioned? He was born in Kenya — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.7.78 (talk) 02:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

More than one person has been born in Kenya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.202.123 (talk) 10:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Dunham and Payne are possible names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.202.123 (talk) 11:11, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Suggestion of subsection on women

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the information on the situation of women should be put together and made a subsection of the demographics section.
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Move to Independence(1956-1963)

Hi, I will be adding an extra section that will hold the history of the country between 1956 and 1963 when the country was transitioning to independence.

There is a lot that happened in these 7 years but it will be summarized in a few paragraphs.

Mwenemucii (talk) 10:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Kenya

Demographics sampling bias... Somali people in Kenya are not foreigners. They are natives and owns largest region of Kenya than any other tribe. It's a fact WehelieJr (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2018

Photos of women in Kenya as provided do not currently represent the average women found in Kenya. I would suggest a closer no biased deeper look. 41.212.20.9 (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2018

Kenya's first capital city was Machakos and not Mombasa as stated here. 165.225.0.92 (talk) 17:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:33, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

change "This led to the increase economic growth" to "This led to the increased economic growth" Antwonthegreat (talk) 05:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 07:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Complete Rewrite

This article needs a complete rewrite. It has outdated information and also some skewed information.

I can be of value If I am allowed to edit it to keep it upto date.

Mwenemucii (talk) 18:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I have had it as a vague plan to come and work on this article at some point when time permits. I have access to quite a few book sources that could. Be useful in constructing the sections.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

KANU formed a government in 1957?

The article currently states: "The first direct elections for native Kenyans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" local rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government."
However, the Kenya African Union (KAU) was banned from 1952 until 1960. It was then re-established by James Gichuru and renamed to KANU.

So for two reasons it is impossible that the KANU formed a government after the 1957 elections: it was not called KANU, plus it was banned at that time.

Muijz (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Notable personalities In Kenya

Mzee Jomo, Kenyatta Daniel Arap Moi William Samoei Ruto Oriop Oriop (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Kenya's GDP

It is not correct compared to the IMF data in the ref. Li56741 (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2019

Kenya nominal GDP is 98 billion dollars in 2019. 154.122.206.221 (talk) 12:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 02:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

New data shows it is 93 billion dollar ref international monitory fund April 2019 Li56741 (talk) 13:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2019

The population of Kenya as stated on the article is 52.2 Million but current population according to 2019 Census is 47,564,296 . Please modify the article to reflect the official population count. Rivatex (talk) 12:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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 Done--Goldsztajn (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

nobel peace prize winner 2004 Kenyan environmentalist Wangari Maathai

Kenyan environmentalist Wangari Maathai has won the 2004 Nobel Peace Prize, becoming the first African woman to be given the prestigious award. The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Ms. Maathai for leading a campaign to plant tens of millions of trees across Africa to slow deforestation

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2004/maathai/facts/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2407:7000:9D2F:A500:8924:8943:7452:D69D (talk) 10:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Edit request 12 Feb: Energy

Hi, I have drafted a paragraph for inclusion in the Energy secton of this article...

Inaccurate projections from an Irish oil firm, Tullow Oil, caused chaos for the Kenyan government in 2012. Tullow’s claim that the country had “more oil than its neighbour Uganda” prompted Kenya to change its entire energy policy and also to withdraw from a Uganda-based oil refinery project.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by OscarK878 (talk • contribs) 12:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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Ethnic groups

The infobox says:

|ethnic_groups =
{{unbulleted list
| 22% Kikuyu
| 14% Luhya
| 13% Luo
| 12% Kalenjin
| 11% Kamba
| 8% Somalis
| 6% Kisii
| 6% Meru
| 15% other African
| 1% non-African
}}

22+14+13+12+11+8+6+6+15+1=108

108%??? How? - Gaja (talk) 14:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Probably rounding up fraction, and mismatch of Bantu sub-group classifications between 2+ sources. It does not match the citation next to it: CIA factbook has: "Kikuyu 17.2%, Luhya 13.8%, Kalejin 12.9%, Luo 10.5%, Kamba 10.1%, Somali 6.2%, Kisii 5.7%, Mijikenda 5.1%, Meru 4.3%, Turkana 2.6%, Masai 2.2%, other 9.4% (2014 est.)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuka Chief (talk • contribs) 15:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2020

Please change the last part of the first sentence from ...is a country in Southern Africa to East Africa because that's the recognized geographical location.

Jjhearts (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for that Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 15:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2020

Please incorporate the information that Kenya Tops Angola as Sub-Saharan Africa’s No. 3 Economy into Kenya's economy because it is current and depicts the economic trajectory of Sub-Sahara Africa. Albanus Vaati (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

 Note: I also took the liberty of editing your comment to fix the ref tags. Rummskartoffel (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Regular editors?

Hi, just wondering if there are any editors working regularly on updating this article and/or improving its quality? I would like to start working on it in due course, hopefully get it into shape in the same way as I did with Rwanda some years ago. If there are regular editors here though, would be happy to discuss the best way forward. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Etymology

The article does not explain with the name Kenya means, other than a story with a male ostrich. Sources elsewhere suggest that Kirinyaga means 'mountain of whiteness’ because of its snow capped peak, these include the Embassy of Kenya in Spain "Kenya in Brief". Embassy of the Republic of Kenya in Spain. 10 July 2015. Retrieved 15 January 2021. Could anyone confirm this to be true so it can be clarified in the article.

Frogfisher (talk) 13:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding Eliud Kipchoge to list of Best Known Atheletes

Few names are included in the sports section but it fails to mention the reigning marathon WR holder Eliud Kipchoge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaperPanda (talk • contribs) 20:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Ethnic groups

"There are an estimated 47 different communities" seems to be based on a 'doing business' guide, which is a poor source. I suggest replacing with:

Unlike Uganda, which has a constitution that lists the country's ethnic groups, there is no official list of Kenyan ethnic groups. The number of ethnic categories and sub-categories recorded in the census has changed significantly over time, expanding from 42 in 1969 to more than 120 in 2019.

84.64.181.96 (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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 Done (with some modifications). Copyright attribution (to you) provided via the edit summary. Thank you for the suggestion!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit - and I agree with your modifications. 84.64.181.96 (talk) 17:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Chief Justice of Kenya

The Wikipedia page on Kenya indicates that David Maraga is the current Chief Justice of Kenya. This is incorrect because Maraga retired in 2020 and his deputy Philomena Mwilu is Kenya's acting Chief Justice. Albanus Vaati (talk) 10:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Marked as vacant per AllAfrica. CMD (talk) 10:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2021

Hello,

In the left-hand column, under the 'Languages' section, please add a link to the Spanish version of this article. The link to this article follows:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenia

Thanks! Gr33nshorts (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done There is already a link there under "Español". User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 01:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2021

Change Chief Justice Vacant to Martha Koome 73.155.240.104 (talk) 05:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2021

I would like to request an edit on former capital city, which has been stated as Mombasa and it is not. The former capital city was Machakos, which was declared capital city by the British between 1906 to 1908. Gracemutheum (talk) 00:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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Politicians

Can anyone explain why there are images of two former US politicians (Bush JR and Kerry) in an article that is supposed to be about Kenya? B. Fairbairn (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I swapped out the Kerry/Kenyatta picture with a good picture of Kenyatta himself, and the picture of US and Kenyan generals standing there with the Kenya Defence Forces emblem. I left the picture of Obama in the foreign relations section, as it looked reasonably relevant there. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 14:21, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

National Bird

What do you think about the male collared trogon being the national bird? It resembles our flag Joro1443 (talk) 10:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2021

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Kenya"

Template:Largest cities of Kenya has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 January 2019 and 1 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): KrystleW.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 01:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Geography

Characteristics of ITCZ 105.160.90.131 (talk) 05:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2022

Islam did not come into existence until 632CE. Arab Muslims committed atrocities against black africans, including castration of all male slaves. In fact, Arab Muslims invented the transcontinental African slave trade. 107.77.249.26 (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The Editor of Kenya on Wikipedia is much negative & biased.This is a great nation.ed

The publishing of Kenya Profile on Wikipedia was not done correctly.This is such a great Nation as at now.All those negative statements are non-issues. 105.161.219.62 (talk) 10:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there any particular content you feel violates the neutral point of view policy? MediaKill13 (talk) 11:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

48th-largest country?

Both Kenya and Botswana are listed as the 48th largest country by area on their respective pages 136.175.74.198 (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

already  Fixed (CC) Tbhotch^™ 16:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2022

The Speaker of the senate is Amason Kingi and speaker of assembly is Moses Wetangula 41.90.179.252 (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done MediaKill13 (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Disabilities in Kenya

There is no mention of how the Kenyan government is dealing and has dealt with Kenyan citizens with disabilities under the government and politics section. It could be very useful to shed light on this issue and its correlation with poverty in the country, especially in this time of post-elections. Special needs children do not receive accommodations in public schools. Consequently, parents of special needs children renounce to take their child to school.

Zp 2298 (talk) 02:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

To add on this comment, there is no mention of the religious beliefs around disability, notably how in traditional Kenyan religion, it is considered a sin for a mother to bear a child with disabilities. The number of single-mother households and the rate of father abandonment should be provided on this page.

These are the numbers I will be providing and adding to this part of the article. Zp 2298 (talk) 02:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Subjective descriptions

“Vast surrounding forests” “snow capped mountains”, do not sound particularly objective… 222Boarbot78 (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, the article is vague and more subjective examples include “brutal treatment” and “legendary long distance trader” 222Boarbot78 (talk) 13:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2022

Remove "Prime Minister" position at the infobox as Kenya has no Prime Minister. The Prime Cabinet Secretary is a role created at the discretion of the President. It is not recognized in the current constitution of Kenya whatsoever. Previous Prime Ministers were appointed on constitutional basis. 102.140.222.226 (talk) 15:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done MediaKill13 (talk) 08:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Kenyan people

Kenyan people (Kenyans) is one of the important articles related to Kenya. Kenya has many ethnic groups and a large population. So I suggest to move the contents about Kenyan people written in this article to Kenyan people and make it a separate article. 126.234.108.130 (talk) 08:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The draft is this. 126.234.108.130 (talk) 08:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Much of that draft has been copied from Demographics of Kenya, an article which already covers Kenyan people. So, no need to split. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

(For Rsk6400) However, We have to make an article “Kenyan people”. Because Kenya has many ethnic groups and a large population. 126.167.168.204 (talk) 05:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Such topics are covered in the Demographics of Kenya article, which Kenyan people already redirects to. CMD (talk) 05:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the other editors. Demographics of Kenya is the appropriate location for this information. Having an article titled Kenyan people implies that there is a cohesive and distinct ethnic group known as "Kenyans", which is untrue. Kenyan people are simply people who hold Kenyan citizenship. MediaKill13 (talk) 14:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@MediaKill13: Then why do we have Americans and Demographics of the United States? Clearly a nation's people and its demographics are separate topics.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I actually don't see much point to the Americans article either. Though if I had to draw a distinction I would argue that due to the strong influence of the melting pot ideology in the United States, there's a slightly stronger basis to have that as a distinct article. I don't think that there's a comparable phenomenon in Kenya. In my own opinion, Kenyans are more strongly attached to ethnic identity as opposed to a national identity in comparison with the United States. MediaKill13 (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Timeline

Under history#swahili trade period, the text says "By the 1st century CE, many of the city-states such as Mombasa, Malindi, and Zanzibar began to establish trading relations with Arabs.", but I'm guessing that number is a mistake. Mombasa and Malindi's pages only mention history starting much later. Did Arabs exist in the first century? In any case they weren't spreading any Islam. 84.241.197.54 (talk) 22:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2023

Bantu farmers came from West Africa AND central Africa SML WRITER KEN (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2023

==See also== * [[List of Kenyans]] Nunuknownskill4 (talk) 01:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done CMD (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)