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November's Kills

I can't find any evidence of Budanova kills in November 1942, in all my texts (I have all the ones in English about Soviet Airwomen and several in Russian. So those datas seem probably wrong...) I wonder why nobody asked - during all these years - the guy who added them to reference them, while my contributs are continously and strictly checked... is he American/English, by the way? Anyway I am going to delete them pretty soon... Gian piero milanetti --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 06:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I check your edits carefully because of your record, your history of poor edits. You are improving somewhat, which is good. I also check edits which are new, not ones that are old. It is a bias that is not based in accuracy but in convenience for myself as a volunteer editor. Binksternet (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Budanova Image

Hello, I was checking the article, while revisioning my book about Soviet Airwomen, and watching the picture of the article I remembered that when I was in Moscow, last May, to meet her two nieces, Irina and Ludmilla, I showed them thar exact picture and they told me that the girl in the picture is NOT Katya Budanova, but another woman pilot probably Tamara Pamiathnyk. Kind Regards from Rome --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Image has been tagged as not that of Budanova until this issue can be sorted. This website shows another photo. Minorhistorian (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Da, that image is of Budanova as it is taken from the cover of the magazine Ogonek, that in April 1943 published a cover-picture of Ekaterina Budanova and of Lydia Litvyak, with an article inside about their collettive more than individual air victories, in classical Soviet style... It could be possible to take an image of Budanova from this picture as well:

http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://mysite.pratt.edu/~rsilva/images/corillo2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/42311-falcon-girls-2.html&h=345&w=460&sz=52&tbnid=WhMZ-KnNOw3QKM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKatya%2BBudanova&zoom=1&hl=it&usg=__8h9fyn-MB1-KEMdYrmvX322tNa4=&sa=X&ei=0Ot5TPfYEpKROOr4gIwC&ved=0CCgQ9QEwBg Budanova is the one in the middle, on the left is Litvyak and on the right Mariya Kuznetsova, I showed this image to the nieces of Katya and they told me, "Da, that's aur aunt!" Best regards from Italy!!--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- I can only repeat what I already wrote: the relatives of Budanova told me that that picture is believed to be of Ekaterina, but thar it is not, probably it is of Tamara Pamiathnyk. I do not remember to have seen that picture on the main books about Soviet airwomen. Who can state with book references that this is Budanova Image? I know that in some sites they produce that image of one of Budanova but the sites about Female Aced are stuffed with impressing mistakes about the subject.

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello to all Aviation friends! Back about Budanova image: I am sure that in the Russian books about Soviet airwomen that I get in Mockba there IS NOT this picture of Budanova, and I am sure that in most of the other (I have all of them) books about airwomen there is NOT this picture as well. I will check them again. I know this picture is in more web sites but those sites are packed with mistakes about Sovier Airwomen, they are not - except one, I guess, written with the help of Kazimiera Cottam - reliable, they are not written by historians, they even write that Lydia Litvyyak shot down e/a flying Lavochkin fighters, that is ABSOLUTELY false.

Regards. --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 04:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked all these books about Soviet airwomen:
Polunina, Ekaterina K. (2004). Devčonki, podružki, letčicy. Izdat. Dom "Vestnik Vozduš. Flota" Mockba. http://books.google.com/books?id=YzesMQAACAAJ.
Cottam, Kazimiera J. (1998). Women in Air War – The Eastern front of World War II. Newburyport, Massachusetts: R. Pullins Company. ISBN 978-1-58510-159-7.
Jackson, Robert. Air Aces of WWII. Ramsbury, MarloboRugh, Vital Guide, Airlife Crowood Press, 2003. ISBN 1-84037-412-8.
Polak, Tomas with Christofer Shores. Stalin's Falcons – The aces of the red star. London, Grub Street, 1999. ISBN 1-902304-01-2.
Pennington, Reina (1997). Wings, Women, and War: Soviet Airwomen in World War II Combat. University Press of Kansas. ISBN 0700615547. http://books.google.com/books?id=HBpSGQAACAAJ. Retrieved 2009-03-23.
Seidl, Hans D. Stalin's Eagles – An illustrated Study of the Soviet Aces of World War II and Korea. Atglen, PA, Schiffer Military History, 1998. ISBN 0-7643-0476-3.
Noggle, Anne. A dance with Death.

Plus the other book from Cottam, "Woman in war and resistence", well... NONE OF THESE BOOKS SHOW THE PICTURE OF BUDANOVA THAT WAS IN THE ARTICLE, PROBABLY IT HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED FROM SOME OF THE MANY (UNRELIABLE) WEBSITES IN THE NET --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)![reply]

I nominated that image for deletion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2010_August_31#File:YekaterinaBudanova.jpg. Feel free to go there and share your thoughts. Binksternet (talk) 14:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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