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The Chinese TV Series portrayed Galdan as to have demanded Kanxi's eldest daughter as a hostageand wife while having political ambition to recover Dadu (i.e. Beijing) the Mongol capital of the Yuan Dynasty of 500 years ago. The Series showed that Kangxi mounted several westernward military campaigns, including a personal lead, starting 1679 to hunt Galdan after Galdan started to show his political ambition with the invasion of Kashgar. Galdan was finally eliminated in 1697, and central Asia (i.e. present-day Xinjiang) was hence incorporated into Kangxi's Qing Empire with the promise of peace and acceptance to the other Mongol khans and chiefs. Is this historical?

Sam.

There's already THIS page on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galdan Please merge the two pages.

Basil II

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The Mongolian spelling of this Tibetan name is Galdan. If we read the history, it wasn't that easy for Kanxi to defeat Galdan, it required a lot of efforts and cunningness. The Chinese TV Series is a fiction first of all and although it uses many historical events, we must remember it is Chinese-biased after all. It shows Galdan being sadistically slain at the battlefield. In reality he committed suicide at a site called Acha Amtai in nowadays Gobi-Altai aimag of Mongolia where Kanxi didn't approach. The vulnerability with history is that it is often politicised. There are many contradicting interpretations by various historians. One of the most doubtful is that Galdan had an ambition to recover Dadu (i.e. Beijing). Some historians suggest Galdan was a Russian agent, while some suggest he was a Tibetan agent. Some even suggest that he was an agent of the Manchu as his war finally caused Khalkha become a vassal of the Manchu. One thing is clear: Dzungaria became a serious political force which was able to oppose the Manchu expansion for a century until its population was cruelly exterminated by the Qing army. Gantuya Eng

Agreed...It's Galdan, not Kaldan. --Northside 732 17:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Galdan's brother

Are Chechin Taij and Tseten (Setsen?) Khan the same persons or not? Yaan 11:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Yaan,

I can't understand how I should reply in the Wiki. So I just write beneath your question.

I don't think these are the same people. Can't remember a person called Chechin (perhaps Tseten (Setsen?)) with title taij become a khan afterwards. As for Tseten (Setsen?) Khan there were a number of people called like that. Basically Tseten (Setsen?) is a supplementary title in the case of these khans. First of all, this is Kubilai Khan whom the Mongolians also call "Kubilai Setsen Khan". Also I remember Ochirtu Setsen Khan, a ruler of Alashan in the 17th century. And of course the rulers of hereditary title Maha Samadhi Setsen Khan of Khalkha that ruled the eastern part of Khalkha. In the late 17th century the Manchurian Khan officially established the Setsen Khan aimag in Eastern Khalkha. There is a perception that the Tushietu Khan, Zasagtu Khan, Sain Noyon Khan and Setsen Khan supervised the noyons-lords of the hoshuns within their aimags. However, reading the books about the Manchurian epoch, one sees that the 4 khans of Khalkha were treated by he Manvurian Khan equally with the hoshun noyons. The aimags were governed by the aimag Chuulgan (assembly) and Chuulgan darga (head of the assembly). Any of the hoshun noyons including the 4 khans could be appointed to the post of Chuulgan darga.

Hi Gantuya!

There is a guide to talk pages at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines .

I looked it up and both Chechin and Tseten indeed seem to be names for one and the same person (except that in literature, Galdan's brother is usually called Sechen). So the recent edit that changed Chechin to Tseten was correct. Of course Setsen is just a title most of the time. Yaan 11:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yaan!

Thank you for the hint. It's good that you looked up. Did he (Chechin/Tseten-Galdan's brother) assume the title khan? Gantuya Eng 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't look that close. maybe i'll have another look. Yaan 11:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rene Grousset (1970/p.526 or so) calls Galdan's brother Sechen-Khan, but doesn't go into any details. Yaan 10:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]