Talk:Kafana/Archive 1

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To Dijxtra: I took out language references since they're written clumsily and are not really relevant. Besides, according to new Bosnian or Bosniack, they use the word kaHVana lately and not kaFana. I saw signs with my own eyes on few bars in Sarajevo last summer that explicitly use the word kaHVana.

Kafana in a traditional, orginal Bosnian sense translates a lot better into bistro, rather than restaurant - very few classic kafanas serve food and even if they do it's not really elaborate.

The 'Kavana' section doesn't really fit in this article the way it's written. If you want, you can start a new article. Also, the example of Zagreb's Gradska kavana you give is pretty clumsy, and is in no way special or unique. Before the latest war of 1990s, for God knows how many years (probably from the 19th century), one of the finest establishments in Sarajevo was 'Gradska kafana' (back then Muslims didn't use kaHVa and such in official speech) in Vase Miskina Street (Sarajevo's main corso, now called Ferhadija) and it looked nothing like what you describe earlier in the article. So, it's not that every single kafana was run-down, dirty and full of smoke by default - it's really the SFRJ pop culture of the 1980s (movies, music, TV shows) that gave it that across the board reputation, and your article made no mention of that. It really wasn't until movies like "Kuduz", "Otac na sluzbenom putu", "Zivot je lep" and so on... that kafana became instantly associated with something undesirable. Prior to that owners of 'normal' places had no qualms about calling their establishments "kafana", but after that everybody prefered "kafic", "klub", "bar", "bistro" and so on...

Also, what is referred to as 'kafana' in Bosnia is somewhat different to what people call 'kafana' in Serbia. In Serbia all of the old-time (like 19th century and beginning of 20th century - old)establishments are restaurants with extensive kitchens ('Znak pitanja', 'Sesir moj', 'Kod dva bela goluba', 'Putujuci glumac' and the ones after WWII - 'Grmec', 'Madera', 'Sumatovac', 'Kod Ive'). Even though, these places are classic restaurants, people still called them kafane, even if they were much different from what people in Bosnia call kafana.

In Bosnia, kafana is the traditional coffee and alcohol type of place, in Serbia all of these places are officially called restaurants but only in every day parlance people call them kafana.--Zvonko 12:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I didn't write this article, just small part of it, User:Duja wrote most of it.

I think separate article about kavana makes no sence and that kavana should be described here as the word has same root. Just like kahvana. Kavana/Kafana/Kahvana is the same thing, just called differently. And, Kavana/Kafana/Kahvana is few different things in Bosnia only.

I don't have enough time at the moment at my hands, but as soon as I get some (time) I'll do some serious work on this article, if you don't mind...--Dijxtra 17:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Bulgaria

The article addressing South Slavs in general, I think I should say how the things stand in my country so we could add that to the article. In Bulgarian, kafene (I believe it's another rendering of the same loanword) means simply coffeehouse, i.e. the place where people sit for a while to have drink — it's not associated with eating. A typical restaurant where traditional Bulgarian dishes are served, the atmosphere is much like in kafana and there's usually live music, is called кръчма (you'd write that krčma) or mehana (both not derogatory words at all) and it is, in turn, not quite the place you'd go for a coffee (although a coffee is an usual way to finish a meal). Of course, such a place might be called a restorant or bistro, although these two do not directly imply it's a traditional one. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Good stuff, feel free to expand the article by adding the Bulgarian info you feel is relevant.

PS: This is kind of funny because the term "South Slavic languages" in this particular article was put in as a bit of weasely way of avoiding the usual former Yugo ethnic/religiuos crap that tends to spill over into linguistics probably without much care that there are other South Slavic languages outside of former Yugo. But in any way, Bulgaria definitely qualifies to be added in this article, so, once again, you're welcome to expand it.Zvonko 17:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Serbian vs. Croatian kavana

This article is a description of a Serbian kafana, which appears to be a run-down dive bar, a meeting place for penniless pensioners and chronically unemployed. This does not fit the description of a Croatian kavana and I believe that "kavana" should be split from here.

I'm not sure which article you've read 'cause it sure doesn't sound like this one.Zvonko (talk) 05:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Kahva(na) and kafana differences in Sandzak

I'm from Novi Pazar, Sandzak, Serbia. In my hometown, these terms, Kahva and Kafana have different meanings. If someone says he is going to "kahva" he is going to a traditional kahvana, where no alcoholic beverages are served. Instead, you can drink coffee, all sorts of juices and sodas, traditional drinks, and you can even eat some of the traditional cakes. However, if someone is going to "kafana", he is going to a place where he can drink alcohol, eat different types of food, and probably listen to a folk band. You have to add this in your article. Or I will.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.191.169 (talk) 21:17, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Coffee-house or tavern?

I'm not exactly certain what it's supposed to be more. Sure, a tavern can serve coffee, and some coffee-houses offer lodgings, but which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.168.50.2 (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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