Talk:Kadamba dynasty

Merge Kadambas and Kadamba

There are two pages related to the same dynasty. Please merge them together and retain the contents of "Kadambas" which is much more comprehensive.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Merge completed

I completed the merge myself after i found out how to redirect.

Dinesh

Brahmin Heritage of Kadambas

The Brahmin ascendent have been question by a lot of historians. Do we need that?

Reply: Absolutely.There is sufficient proof to prove that. The Chandravalli inscription and the Talaguda Inscription (450 CE)has proved it beyon doubt. I dont understand why some edits were made to take out info on their rule as feudatories of the Chalukyas and so on. I am reverting back. unless you can convince me why you dont think it should be there, i will let it be there. If you know the names of scholars who disagree with the Brahmin heritage, put it in the page and provide verifiable reference or hold your peace. Scholars generally disagree based on personal view points and we need to provide all angles. Dont delete matter just because you think it shold not be there. Also, please log in. Edits with out log in name can be considered "vandalism". Dinesh Kannambadi

Plan of Action

Here is my plan of action for Kadamba page which I have been working on for most part. I intend to comprahensively build this page, (this dynasty being the first native kingdom of Karnataka), by adding relevant info to the main kingdom - Kadambas of Banavasi (which the main page pertains to) and creating sub articles for Kadambas of Hanagal, Kadambas of Goa. Some info regarding other minor Kadamba clans will also pre presented (Kadambas from Bailnad, Belur, Halasi etc.). my sources will be,

• Dr. George M. Moraes, "Kadamba Kula, A History of ancient and medieval Karnataka, 1990
  
• Dr. Suryanath U. Kamat, "A Concise history of Karnataka from pre-historic times to the present", Jupiter books, MCC, Bangalore, 2001 (Reprinted 2002)
  
• K.V. Ramesh, "Chalukyas of Vatapi", 1984, Agam Kala Prakashan, Delhi.
  

I shall also be drawing info from other sources like

• Prof K.A. Nilakanta Sastri, History of South India, From Prehistoric times to fall of Vijayanagar, 1955, OUP, New Delhi (Reprinted 2002), ISBN 019560686-8
  
• Dr. Romila Thapar, The Penguin History of Early India, From Origin to 1300 AD., 2003, Penguin, New Delhi, ISBN 0-14-302989-4.
  
• Dr. Malini Adiga, The Making of South Karnataka, Society, Polity and Culture in Early Medieval Period, AD 400-1030, 2006

This work will take atleast couple of months, considering the volume of work involved. Please be patient and direct all questions to my user page.Dineshkannambadi 18:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

IP 151.193.220.29

Please try to understand that editing Anon itself is like vandalism. I know you have not vandalised the material in the last few weeks but I realise you have tried to use this article as a sandbox in the past. It is you who is going to get blocked, not me.Dineshkannambadi 20:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Indo-Aryan?

Like a number of historical groups, how do we actually know that the Kadamba were Indo-Aryan? There is no evidence in the article --Maurice45 (talk) 11:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The map shown seems a little incorrect

The Kadambas were contemporaries of the Gangas of Kolar. But the Kadambas Map shows including the Gangavadi region. It appears to me that is a bit of error. Moreover, there is no evidence of the Gangavadi region having significant influence of Kadamba rule except as neighbours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yogica (talk • contribs) 07:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

What about Rattihalli?

The article is pretty informative, but seems to miss Rattihalli - a very important place of Kadambas. The temple at Rattihalli is even called Kadambeshwara temple. Must add the link to the place Rattihalli and the temple. It is a centrally protected temple (ASI).

I add the reference that informs that Rattihalli (Rattapalli, Rattipalli) was a Kadamba Capital. It comes from the Gazetteer of Dharwad 2002: Ch.2 (History), pg 63: "The Kadambas of Noorumbada... The Kadambas were ruling as subordinates of the Kalyana Chalukyas over Noorumbada which included Rattapalli-70 and Ittige-30, the latter being a place in Ranibennur taluk and Rattihalli was its capital." Karnataka Gazetteer provides this information.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikhil Varma (talk • contribs) 11:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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You have refferred "Mayurasharma" and not "Mayuravarma". I think the correct name should be "Mayuravarma" not "Mayurasharma". Thanks & Regards Srinivasa The article fails ""Such articles are required to be passed as a good article" criteria of Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Assessment. Also can be much more comprehensive. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013. Velim, 11 kilometers from Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya today submitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal located in present day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from the possession of Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging her for constructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compound gates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboring villages of Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and as part of the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368AD Velimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.

Warning the locals who were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done to the glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamented while reacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana like his father in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supply of drinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site. Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the local elected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt this family is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr. Upadhiaya said.

Earlier, a man who walked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for the Roqiue Santana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft and robbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrims visit and said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered the driver of the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82, denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are always protective of the family and do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties as Sarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up to the time when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousie administration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co. goods of Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held that most of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compound work force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? ruling Reigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal. In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleast save this Velim landmark for future generations.

According to this famous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler of Hangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled over night to joined his daughter who herself took shelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband was assassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stone Kannada inscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremation of? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign at Chandrapur palace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva, Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from the Velim inscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to the nearby royal bride who was his distance cousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given up worship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselves as Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar in early1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oil alabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaum after the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincing evidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirate Timu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus stand tell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for their ancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploited this converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedans away and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese? in a while overpowered Timu and colonized Goa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christian connection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visit Velliapura first for refreshment before traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said here today that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving for New Delhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum. Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam, Belgaum. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:27, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

References

New source

• Cecil, Elizabeth A.; Gomes, Mekhola (2021-03-29). "Kāma at the Kadamba Court: The Guḍnāpur Pillar Inscription of Ravivarman as a Text-Monument". Indo-Iranian Journal. 64 (1): 10–50. doi:10.1163/15728536-06401007. ISSN 0019-7246. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)