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 – Renamed to Junior Seau Pier Amphitheatre

While there was no consensus to delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Junior Seau Beach Community Center and Bandshell, it seemed like the article—if notable—is due to the amphitheater/bandshell and not the community center. Therefore, I am proposing to rename this article to Junior Seau Pier Amphitheatre per common name used in sources[1][2]. The community center can be a redirect here.—Bagumba (talk) 22:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want to clarify your notice at the top of the article, then? Because it says you are proposing a move to Junior Seau Beach Community Center. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 23:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bad cut/paste ... thanks for catching that. Article updated to reflect this discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am OK with this move. I wondered exactly what the new facility is called: the "Junior Seau Pier Amphitheater" (which this and this seem to verify) or the "Junior Seau Oceanside Pier Amphitheater" as this suggests? Per your sources the North County Times calls it the Junior Seau Pier Amphitheater [3], so that's good enough for me. I support the move as proposed. --MelanieN (talk) 23:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
About a redirect from the Community Center: the current name will remain as a redirect after the move, right? That should be plenty. --MelanieN (talk) 00:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Junior Seau Beach Community Center would redirect here, the amphitheatre article, for lack of a better place. If your question is on the current name of the article, "Junior Seau Beach Community Center and Bandshell", a redirect automatically gets created due to the move to Junior Seau Pier Amphitheatre. However, once all articles are upfdated to link to the new names, it could warrant a speedy deletion per CSD R3, as its improbable anyone would combine the two terms together.—Bagumba (talk) 00:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At the AfD I said I would rewrite the article to focus on the amphitheater. Should I start now or wait until after the move? --MelanieN (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem if you want to boldly move and rewrite now. Or I can move it for you.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking we should wait a few days on the move. It was only suggested yesterday, and you and I are the only ones who have weighed in on the suggestion. I like to give move suggestions a week for comment before carrying them out. --MelanieN (talk) 16:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The AfD made little mention of the community center, so I dont think its an entirely hasty decision. The worst thing that could happen would be that it was undone. Still, I'm OK with waiting if you'd prefer.—Bagumba (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Junior Seau Beach Community Center

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After the rename, Junior Seau Beach Community Center was created to redirect here. The community center to me is unrelated to the amphitheatre, aside from a news item that they were both renamed to honor Junior Seau. Not sure if this is the most appropriate place for the community center.—Bagumba (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I boldly moved the text to Oceanside Pier.—Bagumba (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds OK. Thanks for fixing this. --MelanieN (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About the funding

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The information about the funding for the dedication was posted by the original author of this article, Gwsuperfan, and they cited the information to an announcement made at the dedication:

It was announced at the dedication that costs stemming from the renaming of the Beach Community Center and Bandshell would be largely covered by the Viejas Band of Mission Indians. Additional funding came from the Oceanside Firefighters Assosciation. The intent was to achieve a zero net cost to the City of Oceanside for the dedication.

The user obviously attended the dedication, where they took a lot of pictures (including the one of the amphitheater currently in the article; I had requested such a picture and they apparently uploaded it but did not add it to the article). I don't know if we can count it as a reliable source, that they heard it announced. No news reporter seems to have picked up the announcement. I'll keep looking. --MelanieN (talk) 22:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did a cursory check before tagging it. Per WP:V, "Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it."—Bagumba (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Then I guess we'd better delete it. --MelanieN (talk) 23:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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