Talk:Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe

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Request Edit A

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

Please add the following section, text, and image after the Boronda History Center section.

Landmark status

The registration for the Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe as a historic resource dates back to March 15, 1974. A commemorative plaque that designates this site as California Historical Landmark #870 was placed by the California State Parks in cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.1.A. on May 18, 1974. The marker is located in front of the Adobe.^[1] The inscription on the marker reads:

Built between 1844 and 1848 by José Eusebio Boronda, this is an outstanding example of a Mexican-era rancho adobe. Virtually unaltered since its construction, it shows many features of the 'Monterey Colonial' style which resulted from the fusion of New England and California building traditions during California's Mexican period.^[1]

Greg Henderson (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery:, did you review the source as you did so? I've removed request submitted by requestor that failed verification.Graywalls (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Graywalls: The citation Office of Historic Preservation Landmark covers the quote that is on the landmark #870 plaque: " Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe CASA Built between 1844 and 1848 by José Eusebio Boronda, this is an outstanding example of a Mexican-era rancho adobe. Virtually unaltered since its construction, it shows many features of the 'Monterey Colonial' style." Additional citations can be found here: History of the Boronda Adobe California Historical Landmark #870; Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe; Historic Spots in California. In addition, I have provided a picture of the landmark plaque, which is a varifiable source that has the full text used in the description. Greg Henderson (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When edit request is being considered, only the provided source within the request is considered in verification. Whatever you requested should be directly supported by the source provided within the request and in this case, I looked at it and what I have removed was not supported. Insertion of things that can not be directly verified has been an ongoing issue with your edits. Graywalls (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

Request Edit B

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first.

Please add the following section, text, and image after the Boronda History Center section.

The registration for the Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe as a historic resource dates back to March 15, 1974. A commemorative plaque that designates this site as California Historical Landmark #870 was placed by the California State Parks in cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.1.A. on May 18, 1974. The marker is located in front of the Boronda Adobe Historic Center in Salinas, California.^[1]^[2]^[3]

The inscription on the marker reads:

Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe CASA Built between 1844 and 1848 by José Eusebio Boronda, this is an outstanding example of a Mexican-era rancho adobe. Virtually unaltered since its construction, it shows many features of the 'Monterey Colonial' style.^[1]

Greg Henderson (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've been around for a long time, and have been told numerous times about WP:RS, such as the use of personal websites/self published sources and user generated contents, such as http://landmarkquest.com/omeka/ you proposed to be introduced as as source. The description on the page reads (bolding emphasis added by me):

When I began my quest, the only information I had to work with were the directions listed in the Office of Historic Preservation print guidebook and a bundle of maps from AAA. Now, with Google Street view and GPS locations, it's much harder to get lost looking for landmarks. So this site might be of less use than it once was. Even so, I hope you find the information here useful. I have attempted to keep information about landmark plaques and site locations up to date and accurate. Over time, plaques go missing, are added, or other events happen to these sites. Also, I'm sure there are mistakes on my pages, so feel free to let me know if you see one

Graywalls (talk) 21:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, lets remove that one. What about the rest. There is a lot of info on this landmark and it deserves image and text provided. Greg Henderson (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone, Melcous, and Drmies:, and whoever else. I have chosen to ping the three of you as you are familiar with the Pebble Beach/Monterey/Carmel-by-the-Sea walled garden type articles. I have declined as explained above and requested a discussion take place here. My reasoning to decline was that contents sought to be introduced by Henderson in the first request was not supported and the follow up sources they came up with are flimsy. Name dropping collaborating organizations and citing the organization itself, or the use of personal websites introduces undue weight issues. Graywalls (talk) 21:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.
^ "History of the Boronda Adobe California Historical Landmark #870". Monterey County Historical Society. Retrieved November 11, 2023.
^ "0870 Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe Casa". California State Historical Lanmarks. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

Request Edit C

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Since there has no response from Graywalls request for feedback, I would like to make this request edit again and provide additional support to add landmark status information for the Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe.
- The "Parks" citation below provides (a) registration date, and (b) landmark inscription information.
- The 2nd citation from the Monterey County Historical Society provides support that the site is California historical landmark #870.
- An image of the actual landmark plaque is provided with the text saying that the "plaque placed by the State Department of Parks and Recreation in cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society, Inc., and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.I.A. May 18, 1974. It also includes the inscription on the plaque.

Please add the following section, text, and image after the Boronda History Center section.

Landmark status

The registration for the Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe as a historic resource dates back to March 15, 1974.^[1]^[2] The California Registered Historical Landmark No. 870 plaque was placed by the California State Parks in cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.1.A. on May 18, 1974. The inscription on the plaque says:

Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe CASA
Built between 1844 and 1848 by José Eusebio Boronda, this is an outstanding example of a Mexican-era rancho adobe. Virtually unaltered since its construction, it shows many features of the 'Monterey Colonial' style which resulted from the fusion of New England and California Building Traditions during California's Mexican period.^[1]

Greg Henderson (talk) 22:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC) [reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.
^ "History of the Boronda Adobe California Historical Landmark #870". Monterey County Historical Society. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

Reply 27-NOV-2023

Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.

Edit request review 27-NOV-2023

The registration for the Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe as a historic resource dates back to March 15, 1974.
Already done.^{[note 1]}

The California Registered Historical Landmark No. 870 plaque was placed by the California State Parks in cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.1.A. on May 18, 1974.
Clarification needed.^{[note 2]}

The inscription on the plaque says: Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe CASA - Built between 1844 and 1848 by José Eusebio Boronda, this is an outstanding example of a Mexican-era rancho adobe. Virtually unaltered since its construction, it shows many features of the 'Monterey Colonial' style
Unable to implement.^{[note 3]}

which resulted from the fusion of New England and California Building Traditions during California's Mexican period.
Declined.^{[note 4]}

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^ The asked-for changes in this section of the edit request are already in the article.

^ This claim is not referenced. Please provide a reference which directly verifies this claim statement.

^ This portion of the text was verified by the supplied reference. However, the proposal has this text linked with other text which was not approved (see below).

^ The provided reference (parks.ca.gov) does not verify this portion of the proposed text.

Regards, Spintendo 01:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the proposal. The text and inscription is coming from the image that is included as part of this request. Please review the text on the plaque to see that it corresponds to the text in the request. Greg Henderson (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Greghenderson2006:, again you're just re-submitting what you're wanting to include, apparently until someone approves it. The inclusion of cooperation with the Monterey County Historical Society and the Monterey Bay Chapter A.1.A. on May 18, 1974 that only cites the participants' own website is undue. If the only places that talk about it are participants or personal websites, it's likely not worth mentioning it and essentially just serves to get their names out there. Graywalls (talk) 03:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the image I included in this request edit. The text is coming directly from the plaques inscription. The text in the image should be allowed as it provides the source for the text. Greg Henderson (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be opposed to adding the image alone to the article. As the text printed on the plaque in the image speaks for itself, there would be no need to place the text (or reference it) in the article. Regards, Spintendo 03:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Parks-1] "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[Parks-2] "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[3] "History of the Boronda Adobe California Historical Landmark #870". Monterey County Historical Society. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[4] "0870 Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe Casa". California State Historical Lanmarks. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[Parks-5] "Jose Eusebio Boronda Adobe". Office of Historic Preservation. San Jose, California. March 15, 1974. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[6] "History of the Boronda Adobe California Historical Landmark #870". Monterey County Historical Society. Retrieved November 11, 2023.

[7] The asked-for changes in this section of the edit request are already in the article.

[8] This claim is not referenced. Please provide a reference which directly verifies this claim statement.

[9] This portion of the text was verified by the supplied reference. However, the proposal has this text linked with other text which was not approved (see below).

[10] The provided reference (parks.ca.gov) does not verify this portion of the proposed text.

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