Talk:John Langeloth Loeb Jr./Archive 1

Archive 1

Requested edit

I've been asked by Ambassador John Loeb to make updates to several sections of his Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Langeloth_Loeb,_Jr.

I am new to Wikipedia and I want to ask your advice on how best to make the updates - I.e. Should I make them directly to the page all at once, section by section, or otherwise. They are integrated into several different paragraphs and are not so easy to describe/propose individually on this Talk page so I'm leaning toward making them directly on the Wikipedia page, itself, but wanted to check with you, the more seasoned editors.

Thanks in advance for your help with this.

Mybestwords (talk) 18:59, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mybestwords: You should post your updates on this talk page using {{request edit}}. Pppery 19:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request

I User:mybestwords and my colleague, User:Conquestde are paid editors for the John_Langeloth_Loeb_Jr. page. We are new to Wikipedia and we made several edits directly on this page. Today, the edits we made were reversed, not necessarily because the edits were not worthy but because we didn't submit Edit Requests on this Talk page to solicit help from the Wikipedia editors to update this page.

I would like to request that the edits that were undone with the update below, be restored to this page, as shown on the link below:

[[1]]

Please let me know if you are able to help us with this task and how we should proceed.

Thanks in advance for your help!

--Mybestwords (talk) 00:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Please follow policy. Propose each edit one at a time. Use form "please change (second sentence in lede, for example) from x to y, supporting your request with formatted citations from reliable independent sources. Also be advised, with the exception of reverting obviously unambiguous vandalism, you are not allowed to edit the article directly ever. Further, in discussions on the talk page, only one of you may participate. For both of you to participate would be a violation of WP:MEAT. Any variance from this and I'll be requesting blocks for both of you. John from Idegon (talk) 11:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add Citation: After “Counselors.”

Add Citation: After “Counselors.” in the following sentence (in the introductory paragraph of the page):

From 1979 to 2015, Loeb was chairman of Loeb, Rhoades Trust Company, successor to John L. Loeb Jr. Associates, Investment Counselors.

The citation is at the following link: http://nebula.wsimg.com/38b1c83e76dc36216354e0283a04f004?AccessKeyId=B182B2A0FC0A1C212A51&disposition=0

-- Mybestwords (talk) 22:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)  Not done I have removed that sentence as it doesn't belong in the lede. Theroadislong (talk) 22:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add Citation for "Delegate to the United Nations in 1984"

Add Citation: after “1984” in the following text (in the introductory paragraph of the page):

...Delegate to the United Nations in 1984

The citation is at the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/22/world/reagan-appoints-10-as-delegates-to-un.html

-- Mybestwords (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)  Not done it is already referenced in the article and the lede doesn't require references. Theroadislong (talk) 22:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add Citation: After “London, England.”

Add Citation: After “London, England.” in the following sentence (in the “Early life and education” section):

He is a great-grandson of Adolph Lewisohn. The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England.

The citation is at the following link: http://findingaids.cjh.org/?pID=364876

-- Mybestwords (talk) 22:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)  Not done The source doesn't mention John Langeloth Loeb Jr. at all. Theroadislong (talk) 22:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Edit Request: Add citation after "Peder Severin Krøyer" in "Danish Art"

Add this citation: https://www.1stdibs.com/introspective-magazine/john-loeb/ at the end of the following text:

Of primary importance in the collection are works from The Modern Breakthrough period (1870–1890) in Danish art, with works by the Skagen Painters including Anna Ancher, Vilhelm Hammershøi and Peder Severin Krøyer.

In the “Danish Art” section.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 Declined  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "38th session of United Nations"

Add this citation: http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/22/world/reagan-appoints-10-as-delegates-to-un.html at the end of the following text:

...he was appointed a delegate to the 38th session of United Nations.

In the “Government and public affairs” section

-- Mybestwords (talk) 23:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "Douglas Aircraft Company, Long Beach, California."

In the "Early life and education" section, after “. . . Douglas Aircraft Company, Long Beach, California.((cn))”

Add this citation: http://www.ambassadorloeb.com/index.php/biography

Remove: ((cn))

Note: Choice supported by guidelines regarding personal websites on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

-- Mybestwords (talk) 09:29, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 Declined Per: WP:BLPSELFPUB  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "Joint Legislative Committee on Matrimonial and Family Laws, State of New York"

In the “Government and public affairs” section, after “Joint Legislative Committee on Matrimonial and Family Laws, State of New York (1966).”

Add this citation: http://www.ambassadorloeb.com/index.php/business

Note: Choice supported by guidelines regarding personal websites on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

-- Mybestwords (talk) 19:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 Declined Per: WP:BLPSELFPUB It would be best to gain confirmation of these positions held from documents connected to and published by the State of New York, rather than Ambassador Loeb's website.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Request for Help in updating article to merit removing the "written like a resume" notice

This article currently has a 'written like a resume" notice at the top. Since the time this notice has been added, sections of the article have been removed (by various editors) and I have several Edit Requests queued up that include additional citations for existing content and requests to add new content along with citations.

I would like any advice you have regarding what further actions I should take to facilitate the removal of the "written like a resume" notice.

Thanks in advance for your help with this.

- Mybestwords (talk) 02:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

You should contact the editor who added the template and ask for their input.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  05:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add new “sub-section” for the John L. Loeb, Jr. Visitors Center

Add new “sub-section” in “Interests” before “Loeb Institute”

John L. Loeb, Jr. Visitors Center

The John L. Loeb, Jr. Visitors Center is on the campus of the Touro Synagogue in Newport, RI. It was established by Loeb who is descended from the Touro family. Ambassador Loeb also established the Patriots Park which connects the visitor center with the synagogue.* Loeb worked with the Northeast Collaborative Architects (NCA) to design the Visitors Center.**

Add the citations for this paragraph above.

'* http://travelwritersmagazine.com/newports-loeb-visitors-center-puts-faces-to-touro-synagogues-colonial-past/

'** http://www.newportseen.com/archived-news/loeb-visitors-center-at-touro-synagogue-an-architectural-achievement/

-- Mybestwords (talk) 00:02, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

 Declined per: WP:RSVETTING  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for $2.5 million donation to establish the Loeb Institute

In the “Loeb Institute” section, after “The John L. Loeb Jr. Foundation and the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom donated $2.5 million to establish the institute at GWU.”

Add the following citation: https://gwtoday.gwu.edu/institute-religious-freedom-will-move-education-programs-gw

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for description of the Loeb Institute

In the “Loeb Institute” section, after “The Loeb Institute will manage academic, curricular and co-curricular programs, publications, collaborations and activities with organizations, scholars, students, educators and the public engaged in the mission of the Loeb Institute.”

Add the following citation: https://loeb.columbian.gwu.edu/

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:15, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add "Business" section

Please add the following section after the “Government and public affairs” section:

Business

Loeb was president and partner of Loeb Rhoades & Co., international investment bankers.* He was chairman of Loeb, Rhoades Trust Company, successor to John L. Loeb Jr. Associates, Investment Counselors.**

Citations to support this:

‘* http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/09/nyregion/john-l-loeb-sr-dies-at-94-investor-and-philanthropist.html

‘** https://www.abana.co/event/speakers/john-langeloth-loeb-jr/ https://loeb.columbian.gwu.edu/john-l-loeb-jr-businessman-public-servant-philanthropist

Commentary: Information to support the lede paragraph regarding John Loeb being an American businessman which is a significant aspect of his life.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented This citation was placed under Government and public affairs.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "Chairman of the Keep New York State Clean Program"

In the “Government and public affairs” section, after “ . . . and was Chairman of the Keep New York State Clean Program (1971-1975)”

Add this citation: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=44070

-- Mybestwords (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Replace 1st sentence in “Loeb Institute” with last sentence in “Organizational Memberships”

Please move the last sentence in the "Organizational memberships" section "In 2016, George Washington University founded the Ambassador John L. Loeb Jr. Institute for Religious Freedom to carry on the mission, ideals and educational activities of GWIRF." to be the first sentence in the "Loeb Institute" section and remove the current first sentence "In January 2016, George Washington University opened the John L. Loeb Jr. Institute for Religious Freedom." in the "Loeb Institute" section.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

 Declined The last sentence of 'Organizational memberships' is not the same sentence mentioned in the proposal. No action taken.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  12:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "for his contributions to the Winston Churchill Foundation."

In the “Awards and Honors” section, after “In 1994 Elizabeth II awarded Loeb the honorary rank of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (C.B.E) for his contributions to the Winston Churchill Foundation.[citation needed]

Add this citation: https://www.facinghistory.org/nobigotry/about-the-project/about-john-loeb

Remove:

Note: Choice supported by guidelines specified here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

-- Mybestwords (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

 Declined Per: WP:BLPSELFPUB The source is the "official biography" received from the Loeb website as a press release. As the ones bestowing the honor, the source should come from Buckingham Palace, through the Royal Archives.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  13:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for "Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambros"

In the "Early life and education" section, after “The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England.[citation needed]”

Add this citation: http://findingaids.cjh.org/?pID=364876

Remove: [citation needed]

Note: This citation speaks to the relationship between the Lewisohn and Hambro families.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 08:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC).

 Declined The cited source does not specify "cousins".  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  13:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add link to Ambassador Loeb’s Personal Website at end of Infobox

Please add the following code, including a link to Ambassador Loeb's Personal website, to the end of the Infobox:

|website = www.ambassadorloeb.com

-- Mybestwords (talk) 09:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 09:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for the First symposium launching the “Initiative on Religious Freedom”.

In the "Initiative on Religious Freedom" section, after this text "The public launch of the initiative was held at Harvard on May 1, 2014. The first symposium featured an interfaith panel of American religious leaders hosted by Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., discussing the import of the Washington Letter for contemporary issues. These leaders were Sheikh Dr. Yasir Qadhi of Memphis, Reverend J. Brent Walker of Washington, DC and Rabbi Angela W. Buchdahl of Manhattan."

Please add the following citation: http://hutchinscenter.fas.harvard.edu/inaugural-symposium-ambassador-john-l-loeb-jr-initiative-religious-freedom-and-its-implications

-- Mybestwords (talk) 05:55, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 07:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Replace citation associated with "He is a trustee of the American-Scandinavian Foundation"

In the "Organizational memberships" section, the citation associated with "He is a trustee of the American-Scandinavian Foundation" is [12]"Loeb Institute The George Washington University". loeb.columbian.gwu.edu."

This citation is incorrect and should be replaced with: http://www.amscan.org/about/board-and-trustees/ which lists John L. Loeb Jr. as an Executive Trustee

-- Mybestwords (talk) 06:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 07:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request: Replace citation associated with "chairman of the Winston Churchill Foundation"

In the "Organizational memberships" section, the citation associated with "chairman of the Winston Churchill Foundation" is [13]" "U.S. Ambassador to Denmark Is Decorated by Government", New York Times, September 13, 1983."

This citation is incorrect and should be replaced with: http://www.winstonchurchillfoundation.org/trustees.html which lists Hon. John L. Loeb Jr. as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 06:42, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 07:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request 21-FEB-2018

Edit request: Restore citation associated with "In cooperation with the American Jewish Historical Society

At the beginning of the "Early American Jewish Portraiture" section, there is an empty “[26]” citation after “In cooperation with the American Jewish Historical Society”.

The following code associated with the “[26]” citation should be removed as it is no longer valid: ^[26]

Instead, a new citation should be added that points to:

http://www.ajhs.org/special-holdings

which includes a reference to the “Loeb Portrait Database”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 09:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for "Loeb funded the development of The Ambassador John L. Loeb Jr. Database of Early American Jewish Portraits."

In the "Early American Jewish Portraiture" section, there is an empty “[27]” citation after “Loeb funded the development of The Ambassador John L. Loeb Jr. Database of Early American Jewish Portraits.”.

The following code associated with the “[27]” citation should be removed: ^[27]

Instead, new citations should be added that reference the following links:

https://architectsandartisans.com/a-database-of-400-jewish-portraits/

https://www.antiquesandthearts.com/early-jewish-american-portraits-profiled-in-online-database/

both of which note that Ambassador John Loeb has funded the development of the online database of early American Jewish portraits.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Correct citation for "President Ronald Reagan appointed Loeb to the post of United States Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to Denmark"

In the first sentence in the “Government and public affairs” section, there is an empty “[9]” citation after "President Ronald Reagan appointed Loeb to the post of United States Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary”.

The following code associated with the “[9]” citation should be removed: ^[9]

Instead, a new citation should be added after “President Ronald Reagan appointed Loeb to the post of United States Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to Denmark” that points to the following link:

https://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/people/loeb-john-langeloth

-- Mybestwords (talk) 11:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Remove null citation “[10]” after "he was appointed a delegate to the 38th session of United Nations”

In the “Government and public affairs” section, there is an empty “[10]” citation after "he was appointed a delegate to the 38th session of United Nations”.

The following code associated with the “[10]” citation should be removed: ^[10]

Nothing should be added.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 11:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Correct citation after "and chairman of New York State Council of Environmental Advisors (1970–1975).”

At the end of the first paragraph in the “Government and public affairs” section, there is an null “[11]” citation after "and chairman of New York State Council of Environmental Advisors (1970–1975).”.

The following code associated with the “[11]” citation should be removed: ^[11]

The following citation should be added instead:

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/sites/default/files/archives/speeches/1983/61083a.htm

-- Mybestwords (talk) 11:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "serves on the Board of Advisors of the Department of Ophthalmology at Columbia University Medical Center”

In the “Organization memberships” section, after this sentence:

“He was a trustee of the Montefiore Medical Center and serves on the Board of Advisors of the Department of Ophthalmology at Columbia University Medical Center.”

Please add the following citation:

https://www.columbiaeye.org/sites/default/files/Viewpoint_Newsletter_Winter_2017.pdf

Where Ambassador John L. Loeb, Jr. is listed on the “BOARD OF ADVISORS” on page 3.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "Oversight of this initiative has recently been transferred to Harvard’s Committee on the Study of Religion, composed of professors from both the Faculty of Arts and Sciences and the Divinity School.”

At the end of the “Initiative on religious freedom” section, after the following sentence:

“Oversight of this initiative has recently been transferred to Harvard’s Committee on the Study of Religion, composed of professors from both the Faculty of Arts and Sciences and the Divinity School.”

please add the following citation:

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/loebfellowships/about

which describes the Loeb Fellowship program which is an important component of the Ambassador John L. Loeb Jr. Initiative on Religious Freedom.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 12:43, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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Edit Request: Add citation after "He is a great-grandson of Adolph Lewisohn.”

In the first paragraph of the “Early life and education” section, after “He is a great-grandson of Adolph Lewisohn.”, please add the following citation:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/09/nyregion/john-l-loeb-sr-dies-at-94-investor-and-philanthropist.html

1) This link is the same as citation “11” that already exists on this Wikipedia page.

2) This article is a good primary source as it's the New York Times, and it includes the following family tree information about John Loeb Jr's father that can serve as a citation for John Loeb Jr's family tree (as described on his Wikipedia page) as well.

2.1) John Loeb Sr's mother was Adeline Moses.

2.2) John Loeb Sr's wife (and John Loeb Jr's mother) is Frances Lehman, daughter of Arthur Lehman of Lehman Brothers. She was the granddaughter of Adolph Lewisohn and niece of Herbert H. Lehman, who later became Governor of New York and a Senator.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 08:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

 Reference expanded Spintendo      11:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request

Fix citation after "Facing History and Ourselves, Brookline, MA

In the second paragraph of the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” section, after “Facing History and Ourselves, Brookline, MA”, there is a null “[15]”.

The following code associated with the “[15]” citation should be removed: ^[15]

The following citation should be added instead:

https://www.facinghistory.org/nobigotry/about-the-project

-- Mybestwords (talk) 12:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined Please provide reliable third party sources for this claim. Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Fix Citation after "to provide civic education enrichment programs and awareness of the Washington letter in classrooms throughout the United States."

In the second paragraph of the "George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom" section, after “to provide civic education enrichment programs and awareness of the Washington letter in classrooms throughout the United States.”, there is a null “[5]”.

The following code associated with the “[5]” citation should be removed: ^[5]

The following citation should be added instead:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/george-washington-institute-for-religious-freedom--facing-history-symposium-in-washington-dc-116678294.html

-- Mybestwords (talk) 12:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined Please provide reliable third party sources for this claim. Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add Citation after "The Aspen Institute’s Inclusive America Project under the aegis of The Aspen Institute's Justice and Society Program."

At the end of the second paragraph of the "George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom" section, after “The Aspen Institute’s Inclusive America Project under the aegis of The Aspen Institute's Justice and Society Program.”

Please add the following citations:

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/programs/justice-and-society-program/inclusive-america-project-history/

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/programs/justice-and-society-program/open-letter-in-the-washington-post/

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/publications/religious-diversity-youth-development-eight-real-life-scenarios-accompanying-discussion-questions/

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined Please provide reliable third party sources for this claim. Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Correct citation after "In 2010, the institute formed partnerships with the Bill of Rights Institute in Arlington, VA."

At the beginning of the second paragraph of the "George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom" section, after “In 2010, the institute formed partnerships with the Bill of Rights Institute in Arlington, VA.” there is a null “[14]”.

The following code associated with the “[14]” citation should be removed: ^[14]

The following citations should be added instead:

http://billofrightsinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/The-Bill-of-Rights-Institute-Announces-New-Resources-on-Religious-Liberty.pdf

http://billofrightsinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/The-Bill-of-Rights-Institute-Launches-Religious-Liberty-Initiative.pdf

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined Please provide reliable third party sources for this claim. Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "The Hotchkiss School, an independent school in Lakeville, Connecticut (1944-1948)"

In the last paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, after “The Hotchkiss School, an independent school in Lakeville, Connecticut (1944-1948)”.

Please add the following citation:

https://www.hotchkiss.org/alumni/notable-alumni/notable-alumni-search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&const_search_group_ids=302%2C319%2C304%2C307%2C318%2C320%2C314%2C301%2C306%2C300%2C311%2C313%2C312%2C309%2C305%2C316%2C315%2C303%2C299%2C308%2C310%2C317&const_search_role_ids=&const_search_keyword=john+l+loeb+jr&const_search_department=&const_search_class_year=

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Y Approved Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "The Harvey School, an independent school in Katonah, New York (1939-1944)"

In the last paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, after “The Harvey School, an independent school in Katonah, New York (1939-1944)”.

Please add the following citation:

https://www.harveyschool.org/page.cfm?p=1739

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Y Approved Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "He is a 1952 B.A. cum laude graduate of Harvard College and received his M.B.A. in 1954 from Harvard Business School."

In the last paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, after “He is a 1952 B.A. cum laude graduate of Harvard College and received his M.B.A. in 1954 from Harvard Business School.”.

Please add the following citation:

https://www.hbs.edu/about/campus-and-culture/campus-built-on-philanthropy/Pages/loeb-house.aspx

Note: This article speaks about John L Loeb Jr’s father at the beginning. In the “ABOUT THE NAME” paragraph, it cites “the Honorable John L. Loeb Jr. (MBA 1954)” and the last 2 paragraphs are about John Loeb Jr and cite that he was a 1952 Harvard College graduate.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Y Approved Spintendo      16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "The institute's first project was to design, build and operate the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island."

In the first paragraph of the "George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom" section, after “The institute's first project was to design, build and operate the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island.”.

Please add the following citation:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janelevere/2015/11/11/investor-and-former-ambassador-to-denmark-honored-for-efforts-to-promote-religious-freedom-in-u-s/#3aa314366f1a

Note: This page is a Forbes article which should be a reputable 3rd party (independent) source. It includes the following information which supports the sentence on the John Loeb Jr. Wikipedia page: “Loeb also supported the building of a visitor center at the Touro Synagogue in Newport—the country’s first, founded by his ancestors and others—to broaden awareness of Jews’ role in American society.”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 05:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 23-FEB-2018

This information is more appropriate for the Touro Synagogue article. Spintendo      14:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England."

In the first paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, after the last sentence “The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England.”

Please add one or more of the following citations:

https://loebdanishartcollection.com/paintings-pdf/52.pdf

Where the following background information is included: “The Hambro family is distantly related to the John L. Loeb Jr. family through the Levy family of Hamburg, Germany. The family name of John Loeb's great-grandfather, Adolph Lewisohn, was originally Levy in Hamburg. One branch of the Levys changed the Levy name to Lewisohn and another branch changed the name from Levy to Hambro (after Hamburg).

https://www.geni.com/people/Philip-Feiwel-Levy/6000000006157650184

This is the entry for Philip (Feiwel) Joachim Levy who shows the connection between the Lewisohn and Hambro families, as he is:

- The brother of Calmer Joachim Hambro (banking family)

- The great-great-great grandfather of John L. Loeb Jr.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Declined per WP:NOTGENEOLOGY Spintendo      15:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove “The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England.”

In the first paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, please remove the last sentence: “The Lewisohns are cousins of the Hambro banking family of London, England.[citation needed]”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Approved. Spintendo      15:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove - References to Air Force service in “Early life and education” section

In the last paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, please remove the last two sentences: “From 1954 to 1955, he served as Second Lieutenant in the United States Air Force at Headquarters, Air Materiel Command, Dayton, Ohio. From 1955 to 1956, he served as First Lieutenant, stationed at Air Force Plant Representative Office, Douglas Aircraft Company, Long Beach, California”.[citation needed]"”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 16:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Approved. Spintendo      20:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Update text and add citation after "Loeb's grandmother, Adeline Moses Loeb, wife of Carl M. Loeb, was a sixth-generation member of the Daughters of the American Revolution.”

In the second paragraph of the "Early life and education" section:

Please remove “sixth-generation” from this sentence “Adeline Moses Loeb, wife of Carl M. Loeb, was a sixth-generation member of the Daughters of the American Revolution.”

After this sentence “Adeline Moses Loeb, wife of Carl M. Loeb, was a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution.”

Please add one or more of the following citations:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1980/12/07/jewish-patriots-and-patrons-of-the-american-revolution/ddf1c1b3-703e-4bf3-ab73-be3ba8f74bde/?utm_term=.487a51292807

Where the last paragraph says: “Loeb gave money to establish the Adeline Moses Loeb Gallery in memory of his grandmother (a member of the DAR)”

https://www.jta.org/1980/12/11/archive/exhibition-on-jewish-community-in-early-america-opens-in-capital

Where the second to last paragraph says: “The idea for the exhibit originated with John Loeb Jr., a New York investment banker and philanthropist who is a direct descendant of one of America’s earliest Jewish families. He conceived it as away to honor his grandmother, the late Adeline Moses Loeb who was a member of the DAR. “

-- Mybestwords (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 No action.

1. This information concerns relatives which lived and died hundreds of years before the subject of the article was born, and is not germane to the article.
2. Information on the financing of the Adeline Moses Loeb gallery is information regarding the business operations of an art gallery.
3. The request concerning the DAR shown just above gives no directions for review.

Spintendo      20:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove - References to club memberships in the “Personal Life” section

In the last paragraph of the "Personal life" section, please remove the last paragraph:

Loeb belongs to the Royal Swedish Yacht Club in Sweden; the Royal Danish Yacht Club; Brooks’s and White’s in the UK; Lyford Key Club in Nassau Bahamas; Sleepy Hollow Country Club and Century Country Club in Westchester County, New York; and Harmonie Club, Knickerbocker Club, Harvard Club, and Downtown Association, all in New York City.[citation needed]

-- Mybestwords (talk) 16:47, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Approved. Spintendo      20:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove - “Loeb's grandmother, Adeline Moses Loeb, wife of Carl M. Loeb, was a sixth-generation member of the Daughters of the American Revolution.”

In the second paragraph of the "Early life and education" section, please remove the last sentence “Loeb's grandmother, Adeline Moses Loeb, wife of Carl M. Loeb, was a sixth-generation member of the Daughters of the American Revolution.[citation needed]"

-- Mybestwords (talk) 20:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

 Approved. Spintendo      21:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "The George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, founded by Loeb in 2009, was established to improve awareness of the roots of religious freedom and the separation of church and state in the United States. "

In the first paragraph of the "George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom" section, after the first sentence “The George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, founded by Loeb in 2009, was established to improve awareness of the roots of religious freedom and the separation of church and state in the United States. ”.

Please add one or more of the following citations:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/30/a-letters-journey-from-founding-father-to-religious-question/

An independent / 3rd party source which includes the following: “Loeb spent about $12 million to found the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, which opened in 2009.”

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/a_road_trip_across_philanthropic_america10

An independent / 3rd party source which includes the following about John L. Loeb Jr.: “In 2009, another descendant of the Touro family, financier John Loeb, created an exhibit-filled visitor’s center on the campus of the synagogue, as well as a new George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, that jointly shine a bright light on our nation’s history of religious liberty and attempt to foster tolerance and respect for faith among the next generation of Americans.”

http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/Laureat.htm

An independent / 3rd party source which includes the following about John L. Loeb Jr.: “Most recently, Ambassador Loeb founded the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom and built the Loeb Visitor Center at Touro Synagogue in Newport, RI. The George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom is a not-for-profit organization promoting understanding of freedom of religion and separation of church and state in America.”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 06:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 23-FEB-2018

This information, which involves events and developments concerning both the historical figure of George Washington and the historically significant Touro Synagogue, is more appropriate for those venues. Regards, Spintendo      14:37, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 23-FEB-2018

I'm not sure if this is where and how I should reply. Please advise the procedure if not.

My thoughts here are similar to my comment regarding the citations for the "The institute's first project was to design, build and operate the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island." and your comment about this being better placed in the Touro Synagogue article. At first glance it may appear that the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom and the Loeb Visitors Center are part of the Touro Synagogue but they are both separate entities from Touro Synagogue. You can learn more about the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom at http://www.gwirf.org and the Loeb Visitors Center at http://www.loebvisitors.org. The educational activities around religious freedom that have been achieved by the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom are inspired by George Washington's Letter to the Jewish congregation at Touro Synagogue in 1790 but the work by GWIRF today is very separate from Touro Synagogue in actuality. I welcome your thoughts. Mybestwords (talk) 15:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

These are indeed important historical events and objects which deserve space on Wikipedia for their descriptions. However, I don't believe that the Ambassador's article is the most representational forum for that information. To discuss GWIRF is to discuss its purpose: the laudable goals of promoting the understanding of religious freedom and separation of church and state. Those ideas are best communicated through GWIRF's own web pages, or if placed on Wikipedia, within an article expressly concerning the Institute itself. The WP:AFC process is available for this endeavor. Regards, Spintendo      20:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your input on this. I see what you mean now. What I would like to do is draft a few sentences that focus specifically on how John L. Loeb Jr. has personally contributed to GWIRF and the Loeb Visitors Center as these are significant achievements that merit being included on Loeb's own Wikipedia page, if possible. It's in my court at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybestwords (talk • contribs) 21:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please update the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” section to read from Loeb’s point of view and add citations to this section

Please replace the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” heading and paragraph below it with the following headers, paragraphs, and the best citation for each paragraph. (your choice) The idea, per guidance from Spintendo, is to have the focus of this section be more about what Loeb accomplished vs. what GWIRF accomplished. We would also like this updated section to merit removing the box that currently exists below the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” heading that indicates we don’t have any reliable sources as well as the statement at the top of the page that says we need additional citations for verification.

Please Add:

George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom

Loeb founded the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom (GWIRF) in 2009 with the goal of raising people’ awareness about the roots of religious freedom and the separation of church and state in the United States and the importance of these principles. To this day, Loeb serves as GWIRF’s chairman.

Note: Possible Citations for Loeb and GWIRF:

https://columbian.gwu.edu/loeb-gift-creates-institute-religious-freedom-gw

http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/Laureat.htm

http://www.magic-city-news.com/News_2/The_Story_of_Touro_Synagogue_and_the_Jews_of_Newport_printer17047.shtml

Loeb Visitors Center

To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it houses several exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty, tolerance, and separation of church and state in Colonial America.

Note: Possible Citations for Loeb and the Loeb Visitors Center

http://blacktiemagazine.com/society_2009_august/George_Washington_Institute_for_Religious_Freedom.htm

http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/Laureat.htm

http://ncarchitects.com/portfolio/item/loeb-visitors-center-at-touro-synagogue-%E2%80%A2-newport-ri/

http://cranstononline.com/stories/east-students-get-presidential-treatment,50285

-- Mybestwords (talk) 05:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Reply 12-APR-2018

 Done These two sections are now referenced with a doctoral thesis from 2014. The Unreferenced-section maintenance template is therefore no longer needed, and has been removed from this section. Regards,  Spintendo      09:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "In 1994 Elizabeth II awarded Loeb the honorary rank of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (C.B.E) for his contributions to the Winston Churchill Foundation"

In the first paragraph of the "Awards and honors" section, after “In 1994 Elizabeth II awarded Loeb the honorary rank of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (C.B.E) for his contributions to the Winston Churchill Foundation”.

Please add the following citation:

https://www.americanambassadors.org/members/john-l-loeb-jr

Which contains the following “Among his awards and recognitions are the Justice Louis D. Brandeis Award, an honorary doctorate from Georgetown University, and a C.B.E. (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) bestowed by Queen Elizabeth II for his work with the Winston Churchill Foundation of the United States.”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 16:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Information regarding this claim should originate from within the UK government, which has records on the awardings of CBE's. I will research this and try to locate a reference from the Royal Archives.Spintendo      20:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply

I'd like your advice. If we find the reference to Loeb's award as Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in a hard-copy of the Royal Archives or notes from Buckingham Palace can we include this as a citation in this article in Wikipedia? If yes, we will check our local library or Stanford University's library.

Thanks in advance for your help with this.

Mybestwords (talk) 11:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please restore the “Loeb Institute” section and update “Loeb Institute” section header below “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” paragraph to “Loeb Visitors Center”

Please update the heading on the section below the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” section from “Loeb Institute” to “Loeb Visitors Center”.

Please note: The “Loeb Visitors Center” and the “Loeb Institute” are different. The Loeb Visitors Center is a building housing educational exhibits in Newport, RI that Loeb spearheaded and funded. The Loeb Institute is a program based at George Washington University that was inspired by Loeb’s interest in the study of the principles of religious freedom and was created thanks to his $2.5 million donation.

With this in mind, after the paragraph that I'm suggesting should have the heading "Loeb Visitors Center" (instead of "Loeb Institute"), please restore some form of the paragraph with heading “Loeb Institute” that was removed. We can rephrase the original paragraph to focus on Loeb’s contribution. Suggesting the following.

Loeb Institute

In 2016, Loeb, through the John L. Loeb Jr. Foundation and the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, donated $2.5 million to establish the John L. Loeb Jr. Institute for Religious Freedom at George Washington University. The institute operates within the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences. Some of the academic resources and relationships that GWIRF created with its civic education partners will be part of the institute. The Loeb Institute will manage academic, curricular and co-curricular programs, publications, collaborations and activities with organizations, scholars, students, educators and the public engaged in the mission of the Loeb Institute. It will continue the ambassadorial outreach program that GWIRF began.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 10:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

References

 Done  Spintendo      16:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please restore the paragraph about the “Loeb Visitors Center”

Somehow in the latest edits the paragraph about the Loeb Visitors Center was removed.

Please add the following heading and paragraph just above the “Loeb Institute” heading.

Loeb Visitors Center

To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it houses several exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty, tolerance, and separation of church and state in Colonial America.

Note: Spintendo had used the same citation for this paragraph as is being used for the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” paragraph. If that is appropriate, please restore that citation for the “Loeb Visitors Center” paragraph. Otherwise, possibly choose one of the following:

http://ncarchitects.com/portfolio/item/loeb-visitors-center-at-touro-synagogue-%E2%80%A2-newport-ri/

http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/Laureat.htm

-- Mybestwords (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

You had mentioned that the two centers were different, so I removed the citation from that claim. The only other claims that were removed were unreferenced: "Some of the academic resources and relationships that GWIRF created with its civic education partners will be part of the institute. The Loeb Institute will manage academic, curricular and co-curricular programs, publications, collaborations and activities with organizations, scholars, students, educators and the public engaged in the mission of the Loeb Institute. It will continue the ambassadorial outreach program that GWIRF began."  Spintendo      20:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

You had asked for the following:

Please replace the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” heading and paragraph below it with the following headers, paragraphs, and the best citation for each paragraph. (your choice) The idea, per guidance from Spintendo, is to have the focus of this section be more about what Loeb accomplished vs. what GWIRF accomplished. We would also like this updated section to merit removing the box that currently exists below the “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom” heading that indicates we don’t have any reliable sources as well as the statement at the top of the page that says we need additional citations for verification. Please Add: Loeb Visitors Center
To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it houses several exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty, tolerance, and separation of church and state in Colonial America.

I referenced the Loeb paragraph, to which you stated that this was a different Loeb center. I then removed that citation. You then asked for the old paragraph to come back in its entirety. I believe that is where the confusion lay, I needed to bring back the original paragraph, which I hadn't done yet. I'm sorry for this confusion... so I have brought back the paragraph as it was before these series of edits were made.  Spintendo      20:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove the reference to award from Elizabeth II and also the BLP sources alert

Please remove the following sentence that is at the end of the first paragraph in the “Awards and honors” section as we don’t have a citation for it:

“In 1994 Elizabeth II awarded Loeb the honorary rank of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (C.B.E) for his contributions to the Winston Churchill Foundation.[citation needed] “

Since this is the last notice on our page that has a “citation needed”, I’d like to request that the “BLP sources” alert at the top of the page be removed as well.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done The inline citation needed template was removed along with the requested text. The BLP sources maintenance template was also removed.  Spintendo      21:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please restore the paragraph about the “Loeb Visitors Center” and the previous version of paragraph about the “Loeb Institute”

@Spintendo - Thanks for your latest update to the “Loeb Institute” paragraph. The previous version of that was okay as-is. I was referring to restoring the paragraph about the “Loeb Visitors Center” that had somehow been removed.

We would like the following two sections below the paragraph with heading “George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom”:

Loeb Visitors Center

To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it houses several exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty, tolerance, and separation of church and state in Colonial America.

Loeb Institute

In 2016, Loeb, through the John L. Loeb Jr. Foundation and the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom, donated $2.5 million to establish the John L. Loeb Jr. Institute for Religious Freedom at George Washington University. The institute operates within the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences. Some of the academic resources and relationships that GWIRF created with its civic education partners will be part of the institute. The Loeb Institute will manage academic, curricular and co-curricular programs, publications, collaborations and activities with organizations, scholars, students, educators and the public engaged in the mission of the Loeb Institute. It will continue the ambassadorial outreach program that GWIRF began.

Note: Please attach the appropriate citation to the "Loeb Visitors Center" paragraph. Thanks!

-- Mybestwords (talk) 21:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

References

I cannot add the Loeb visitors center information because the edit request does not contain references. These need to be placed by you in the paragraph next to the information which it references.  Spintendo      21:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Mybestwords: Regarding the Royal Archives question you asked earlier today (Sorry I didn't see that post as it was higher up on the page on an older entry) the Royal Archives has been excellent at digitizing most of their materials, and I would think that the hard copy notification of this award, if it hasn't been digitized already, would be eventually. You might want to contact them directly. This is a good source on whom to contact at the Royal Archives regarding this claim, with descriptions of each department (according to the service award given) and a list of email addresses where claims may be sent.  Spintendo      22:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please restore the paragraph about the “Loeb Visitors Center” with citation

Please add the following heading and paragraph just above the “Loeb Institute” heading.

Loeb Visitors Center

To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it features several interactive, multimedia exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty and the separation of church and state in Colonial America.

Note: Please choose one of the following citations:

http://ncarchitects.com/portfolio/item/loeb-visitors-center-at-touro-synagogue-%E2%80%A2-newport-ri/

http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/Laureat.htm

http://blacktiemagazine.com/society_2009_august/George_Washington_Institute_for_Religious_Freedom.htm

-- Mybestwords (talk) 22:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

  Clarification needed. Please specify which references are to be used and where they are to be placed.  Spintendo      23:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please restore the paragraph about the “Loeb Visitors Center” with specific citation

Please add the following heading, paragraph, and citation just above the “Loeb Institute” heading.

Loeb Visitors Center

To complement Loeb’s work through GWIRF, he spearheaded and financed the creation of the Loeb Visitors Center on the campus of the Touro Synagogue National Historic Site in Newport, Rhode Island. As an educational center, it features several interactive, multimedia exhibits that describe how Rhode Island championed religious liberty and the separation of church and state in Colonial America.

Please attach the following citation to the end of this paragraph:

http://ncarchitects.com/portfolio/item/loeb-visitors-center-at-touro-synagogue-%E2%80%A2-newport-ri/

-- Mybestwords (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done The text from your proposal was too closely worded to the source material, so I just placed the passage in the article as a quotation taken directly from the source that you chose. I hope this works.  Spintendo      23:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for “In 2010, he was invited to deliver the Herbert H. Lehman Memorial Lecture at Lehman College CUNY.”

After the 1st sentence in the second paragraph of the “Awards and Honors” section “In 2010, he was invited to deliver the Herbert H. Lehman Memorial Lecture at Lehman College CUNY”

Please add the following citation: http://www1.cuny.edu/mu/forum/2010/03/05/ambassador-john-l-loeb-jr-to-deliver-41st-annual-herbert-h-lehman-memorial-lecture-at-lehman-college-on-march-25/

-- Mybestwords (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation for “He was the first direct relative of Herbert H. Lehman to receive the honor.”

After the 2nd sentence in the second paragraph of the “Awards and Honors” section “He was the first direct relative of Herbert H. Lehman to receive the honor.”

Please add the following citation: http://www.lehman.edu/lehmantoday/2010_05/a_beyond.html

NOTE: This is the same citation that currently exists (#23) after “His lecture, “Beyond Tolerance”,”

-- Mybestwords (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done  Spintendo      20:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please review our page and advise if additional updates are needed to remove the “like resume” box and remove it, if the page looks good as-is

We would like the “like resume” box at the top of this Wikipedia page to be removed. To that end, we have contacted the editor, User:Ɱ, who posted the “like resume” box on our site back in November 2016 to request advice on additional updates, if any, that need to be made to merit removing this box and to remove the "like resum" box if everything looks ok as-is. We have not yet heard back from User:Ɱ so we are soliciting help from others.

Please review our current page which has been extensively updated since November 2016 to see if any additional updates are necessary to merit removing the “like resume” box at the top. If yes, please let us know what updates are needed and any pages that are good examples of Wikipedia pages of living persons that we can model our page after. If we already merit the “like resume” box being removed, please remove it.

Thank you!

-- Mybestwords (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

" We have not yet heard back from Ɱ" - Let's give Ɱ time to respond before activating an edit request.  Spintendo      04:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Just checking in, any word back from them yet? Ɱ is an active member though their input seems to be about once every couple of months so another day or two and then I think after a week, just to be sure, we can put it to the wider community if you don't hear anything. Please advise.  Spintendo      17:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, my apologies for the delay. I'll review this again very soon. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 19:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you  Spintendo      20:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I think there have been some good changes since I added that template, yet I feel it still applies. The lead, for one, seems a little too much like a list of accomplishments. It could better read:

John Langeloth Loeb Jr. (born May 2, 1930) is an American businessman, philanthropist, former United States Ambassador to Denmark, and former Delegate to the United Nations. He is an advocate for religious freedom and separation of church and state, having founded the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom in 2009. Loeb also founded and owns the vineyards of Sonoma-Loeb Wines, a winery in Sonoma County, California. Loeb has sponsored publications and exhibitions on early American genealogy, family histories, and Danish art. Loeb continues to serve as chairman of the George Washington Institute.

I cut out plenty of less-relevant muddling details and reorganized the winery info for what's currently important. As well, I believe the "name legacy"-type details should be left in a legacy section, not the lead. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 15:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing maintenance template

The close paraphrasing template has been added to the "Early life" section. This section contains text which is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material, which is copyrighted. A list of that text may be viewed here. An explanatory supplement to Wikipedia's copyright violation policy may be found at WP:PARAPHRASE. This text ought to be rewritten sufficiently using an editor's own words and phrasing before the template is removed.  Spintendo      20:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Spintendo - thanks for checking in about the paraphrasing in the "Early Life" section. The copyrighted material is on Ambassador Loeb's personal website http://www.ambassadorloeb.com and the copyright notice is "Copyright © 2013 John L. Loeb, Jr., All rights reserved" which is John Loeb Jr., himself. Might this make it okay for us to include this text on John Loeb Jr's Wikipedia page? I will rephrase this text in an subsequent Edit Request but do let me know what you think about this case with the copyright from John Loeb Jr. himself. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybestwords (talk • contribs) 04:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please remove the “like a resume” notice

This is an edit request to remove the “like a resume” notice at the top of the page.

We have requested many edits to this page to make it neutral and encyclopedic and have received help from several volunteer editors to make it so.

If our page does not yet merit removing the “like a resume” notice, please specify what additional updates need to be made to merit this and, if possible, provide us with an example of a page that we can model our page after.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 10:40, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I already commented on your last request for this, above. Please respond there. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 12:50, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please replace the “Early Life” paragraphs and remove “close paraphrasing” notice

Please replace the first two paragraphs in the “Early Life” section with the following paragraphs and remove the “close paraphrasing” notice

Loeb was born on May 2, 1930 in New York City. His parents were businessman John Langeloth Loeb Sr. (1902–1996) and Frances Lehman (1906–1996). Loeb's father and his paternal grandfather, Carl M. Loeb (1875–1955), were founders of Loeb, Rhoades & Co.. Loeb's mother was a granddaughter of Mayer Lehman (1830–1897), one of the three founders of Lehman Brothers. Loeb is the grandson of Arthur Lehman (Senior Partner at Lehman Brothers and founding president of Lehman Brothers) and Adele Lewisohn Lehman. He is a great-grandson of Adolph Lewisohn and grand-nephew of former New York Governor and U. S. Senator Herbert H. Lehman.

Loeb and his father share the middle name Langeloth in honor of family friend and businessman John Jacob Langeloth (1852–1914).

NOTE: If I need to modify this text even more, let me know. Much of it is just the lineage and dates of birth and death. It’s hard to vary this very much. I’m trying my best.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 11:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for rephrasing this.  Spintendo      15:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please update the lede paragraph

Please replace the lede paragraph with the one specified here, based on input from Ɱ:

John Langeloth Loeb Jr. (born May 2, 1930) is an American businessman, philanthropist, former United States Ambassador to Denmark, and form Delegate to the United Nations. He is an advocate for religious freedom and separation of church and state, having founded the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom in 2009. Loeb also founded and owns the vineyards of Sonoma-Loeb Wines, a winery in Sonoma County, California. Loeb has sponsored publications and exhibitions on early American genealogy, family histories, and Danish art.[citation needed] Loeb continues to serve as chairman of the George Washington Institute for Religious Freedom.

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 18-APR-2018

Partially implemented Two changes to Ɱ's paragraph were made:

1. Information on the subject's wineries was omitted.
2. Information on the subject's publications was omitted. Per MOS:CITELEAD, the presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article. Thus, the necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Two out of three of the references provided for this claim were to the subject's own websites. As this would be considered a controversial subject, inclusion of this information would require many more citations than the ones provided. (See also this COI edit request).
   

The rest of the paragraph was implemented.  Spintendo      21:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Please add citations for “Loeb has sponsored publications and exhibitions on early American genealogy, family histories, and Danish art”

Please add the citations, as specified below, after “Loeb has sponsored publications and exhibitions on early American genealogy, family histories, and Danish art” in the lede paragraph:

(1) One of the following (please choose the best one) for the book “An American Experience: Adeline Moses Loeb (1876-1953) and Her Early American Jewish Ancestors” that Loeb authored:

https://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/an-american-experience-adeline-moses-loeb-and-her-early-american-jewish-ancestors

http://adelinemosesloeb.com/

ISBN: 978-0982203200

(2) One of the following (please choose the best one) for the book “The Ambassador John L. Loeb Jr. Danish Art Collection” for which Loeb wrote the foreword and for which Loeb is the publisher:

http://loebdanishartcollection.com/about-me-example/

ISBN: 978-0976204305

(3) The following link to the online Loeb Danish Art Collection:

http://loebdanishartcollection.com

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-APR-2018

 Declined As mentioned in a prior edit request, this information was not included in the lead. Two of the three references provided were to the subject's own websites. Since the inclusion of this particular information would be considered a controversial subject, inclusion of it would require many more citations than the ones provided here.  Spintendo      21:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request: Add citation after "Loeb also founded and owns the vineyards of Sonoma-Loeb Wines, a winery in Sonoma County, California."

After “Loeb also founded and owns the vineyards of Sonoma-Loeb Wines, a winery in Sonoma County, California.” in the lede paragraph

Please add the following citation:

http://www.sonoma-loeb.com

-- Mybestwords (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-APR-2018

 Declined As mentioned in a prior edit request, this information was not included in the lead. In an article predominantly about the subject's philanthropy and humanitarianism, the mentioning of the subject's wine estate seems out of place, and might be seen as promotional in nature. I'm afraid this claim, if it were to belong in the article, should be backed by references from secondary sources who mention it in a substantial way.  Spintendo      21:19, 18 April 2018 (UTC)