Talk:John Hargrave

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Urban legend removed

A very reliable source (once a personal friend of Hargrave's and now a Trustee of the Kibbo Kift Foundation) told me that the paragraph about the Kibbo Kift being particularly interested in birds is nonsense.

Kindness to animals was not key among the tenets of the Kibbo Kift.
They were not credited with being the first to launch a formal campaign to save an endangered species.
A bird called "Yellow-Necked Woods Warbler" simply does not exist (!).
There is no "Hargrave Bird Apothecary".

The story has in the meantime spread itself over the internet. The paragraph is a part of this article since 4 November 2005. You might even call it an Urban Legend by now. Many of the sources you'll find for this story will have this Wikipedia-article as a source. I am aware that this may constitute original research, but I believe it's far more important to get rid of a paragraph that is untrue and has no references at all. It is, of course, far more difficult to prove a certain story is wrong than it is to prove it is right. My reliable source told me he is sure the paragraph "was put in, as a joke, or a 'dig', by others", and adds: "The paragraph is completely bogus and inaccurate, but not obvious enough to attract attention. I have even found it quoted, as being authoritative, on other websites!" Seeing that it had no references at all, I decided to remove it. Thank you. Mark in wiki (talk) 11:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Needless to add, the Kibbo Kift website does not mention the word 'bird' even once. Mark in wiki (talk) 12:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a question of original research because the item was not sourced. In that case you can challenge it for any reason and delete it. It might have been better to add a "citation needed" tag for a while, but it was OK to remove the material. It can only be added back with a source added. --Bduke (Discussion) 20:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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