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Requested move 28 November 2017

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. bd2412 T 18:12, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jazira Canton → Jazira Region – The cantons have been organized into regions. No longer referred to Jazira Canton in DFNS media. Keeping name here creates confusion as the subordinate provinces are also sometimes referred to as cantons. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 04:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Jazira Region is a new entity which sits above cantons. Better to create a new article and explain that Jazira Canton ceased to exist. Batternut (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Batternut: Once more, you misunderstand, the former three cantons have been renamed to regions (Afrin, Euphrates, Jazira), and they have subordinate provinces also called cantons (Afrin, Shahba, Kobani, Tel Abyad, Qamishli, Hasakah). All of the political infrastructure of the former cantons are intact and unchanged, they have just been renamed into regions. What are named cantons/provinces now are not the same as what was referred to as cantons before. AntonSamuel (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The established Cantons (Jazira, Kobani, Afrin) have been reorganized as Regions (Jazira, Euphrates, Afrin) with newly organized subordinate provinces/cantons, areas, districts and communes. The upcoming elections of the DFNS will likely increase attention in the media about DFNS and it administrative mechanisms, I suggest a quick move so that confusion is minimized. AntonSamuel (talk) 22:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Surely it is premature to change the article as the proposer (AntonSamuel) has done here, prejudging the outcome of a requested move (and ignoring WP:BRD too)? Batternut (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Put on hold - As far as I can see, serious sourcing is difficult. While my impression is that indeed Jazira Region is denoting the entity now known as Jazira Canton, I would not know how to source that claim convincingly. I would recommrnd to wait for good sources, for now adding a sentence on the issue to the article as it is. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems fairly well researched, and pretty clearly states that the former cantons have been reorganized into regions: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/08/turkey-syria-kurds-fear-improved-ties-ankara-washington.html Would you consider that to be good enough of a source to justify a move? AntonSamuel (talk) 12:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you can probably see as well as I do that there are some inconsistencies in the presentation of that source. But I would not mind you to go ahead, so here is my formal weak support for moving the article (in fact you already have rewritten the articles concerned for the new lemma anyway). However, I recommend to be careful with that source, as the author apparently misunderstands and misrepresents the previous canton system. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - As AntonSamuel noted, several sources, most importantly Hawar (main news outlet of Rojava and the SDF), confirmed the reorganization. The sources confirm that the new regions are the old, renamed cantons, with additional sub-units added. The only real change in this regard is the Shahba region, a "region"/"canton" which previously was only very vaguely integrated into the official system. Shahba is now divided, with one part absorbed into Afrin, and the other remaining a semi-official area around Manbij. Anyway, the regions are the new, official components of Rojava, and that should be reflected here. Applodion (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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