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"related groups" info removed from infobox

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For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-naming this article

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This article should be renamed Japanese expatriates in Hong Kong because that is what it is really about. This could be achieved without any change to the current version of text. --Tenmei (talk) 05:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cantonese

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I have seen that the languages of Japanese pepople in Hong Kong are only Japanese and English. I find this quite dubious. The article states "Though many Japanese women came to Hong Kong intending to learn to speak Chinese (either Cantonese or Mandarin), upon arrival they found that communicating in English was sufficient for everyday life." This does not mean that they will not learn how to speak Cantonese.Besides,this term only applies to Japanese women.How about the Japanese men and children in Hong Kong? Do note that there are definitely Japanese men and children in Hong Kong. Only 30%+ Hong Kongers know English,whereas,70% do not know English. This means,many Hong Kongers are not able to speak English.Though it is sufficient for them to use English in Hong Kong, what are the Japanese people going to do if they had to communicate to the 70% Hong Kongers who do not know English? Besides,Hong Kong is a predominantly Sinophone territory.Therefore,to communicate with Hong Kongers,it is necessary to know Cantonese. also, it is stated " Some Japanese settled in Hong Kong and their second generation children often speak fluent Cantonese". Though it is only a small number, "Most came to Hong Kong in the 1980s".Therefore,they have lived there for long enough to speak Cantonese.Sources are from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingualism_in_Hong_Kong , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongkongers#Japanese and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people_in_Hong_Kong . [[User:L'Etoile D'Ours|]] (talk) 05:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you find it dubious, find reliable sources which state otherwise. As for " what are the Japanese people going to do if they had to communicate to the 70% Hong Kongers who do not know English" --- I imagine they handle it the same way other expatriates handle it, e.g. not patronising establishments staffed by non-English speakers, getting their friends to translate, etc. cab (talk) 01:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This shows that you are extremely myopic. Reliable sources are not needed. If the Koreans in Hong Kong have Cantonese listed as one of their languages, without reliable sources, then how about this article. I have been to Hong Kong before and I can tell you that It is not easy to get around in the many areas of Hong Kong without knowing Cantonese. And these lower income areas are a huge part of Hong Kong. Besides, someone who does not speak Cantonese in Hong Kong will not experience the true Hong Kong culture if he did not populate those areas which is non-Anglophone. These areas form the majority of Hong Kong and they represent a huge part of Hong Kong. Besides, getting their friends to translate for them will tire both parties out and in the end, the friend will say; "You should learn some Cantonese, or life in Hong Kong won't be as easy as you think." Besides, there are times when they will be alone by themselves. Have you been to Hong Kong before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.169.48 (talk • contribs)

No, this shows that you need to read up on Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation". Having gone to Hong Kong as a tourist doesn't mean you get to write whatever unsupported assertions you want in Hong Kong-related articles based on your myopic personal experience. It doesn't really matter what fanciful arguments you can come up with in support of the idea that it would be inconvenient for Japanese people in Hong Kong not to speak Cantonese or would deprive them of the experience of "true Hong Kong culture". This is what we call "original research". And if you read the Koreans in Hong Kong article, you'll see in fact sources which discuss the acquisition of Cantonese as a second language by Koreans in Hong Kong: Kim 1999 and Lee 1996, for starters. cab (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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