Talk:Isochronic tones

Source?

Brainwave entrainment does not have a long-term effect on the patterns of neural impulses. That is, very soon after the external stimulus stops, the brainwaves return to their normal state.

I'm not arguing that it does work, but this statement needs to, at the very least, be backed up with some evidence. Otherwise, it needs to be worded differently. --65.96.119.50 (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Copyright

I am reverting this page to remove copyrighted material. Please "reformulate the concepts in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia, so long as you do not follow the source too closely." Thank you. Akerans (talk) 03:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Entrainment

This word means 'the act of boarding a train' !!! Or 'to draw something after one'. I think that the word this author is looking for is 'training'.

Also, 'stimuli' is the plural of 'stimulus' which is probably the intended word here.

Real Studies DO show benefits at least for 40hz

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.01.21252717v3

The concept is that the brainwaves are "drawn after" the pulse or frequency of the isochronic tone so I don't see what's wrong with the word entrainment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.22.230 (talk) 08:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Entrainment is in common usage in the context of multiple drummers finding the same beat. 24.41.36.15 (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

"Entrainment" is commonly used in neuroscience in the context of Circadian rhythm. Although our biological clock (SCN) runs on automatic, it tends to drift without environmental cues. Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:35, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Need more information

How about Duty cycle?

Misleading and Uninformed

This is nothing more than an uninformed and uninformative opinion about a unvalidated fringe theory (Brainwave Entrainment) with links to commercial sites selling stuff to support that notion. Isochronic Tones is an acoustic phenomenon, describing the perception of intermittent sounds evenly spaced apart by silence. An article on the subject should detail the components of that: frequency of tone, duration of tone, duration of silence etc. Brainwave Entrainment is another thing entirely. This article is equivalent to one entitled Automobile that says: an automobile is something used by travelers to get from one restaurant to another, and then providing links to restaurants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonambulex (talk • contribs) 05:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

That is a ridiculous position. A better analogy would be an article entitled Automobile that makes no mention of the automobile being used for travel. There is no norm on wikipedia that demands the exclusion of some object's cultural usage or applications, whether these are theoretical, everyday, pseudoscientific, medical, or otherwise. To demand that an article on isochronic tones specifically excludes one of the primary, most common contemporary cultural usages of isochronic tones just because the research validating the theories behind these usages is not strong, this is purely an emotional position and not well grounded in the norms or functions of wikipedia, which is to provide a widely reaching context to objects, persons, or whatever other items are in consideration. 108.21.99.26 (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, as of 2016, reliable research into medical applications of isochronic tones, as part of an Alzheimer's intervention, has yielded scientifically significant results. The studies were conducted by researchers at The Picower Institute for Learning and Memory and the Aging Brain Initiative at MIT, and Picower Professor in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences. These are MIT researchers conducting research through MIT laboratories, initiatives and institutes. MIT can not be called an unreliable scientific body and so I am including reference to this research in the article. 108.21.99.26 (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Assumed advertising

There is no service or product mentioned in the article. On the contrary, it mentions the following:

• There is no theoretical or empirical basis for this;
  
• There has not yet been a large-scale or long-term study of brainwave entrainment.
  

Would these facts I quoted above be in an advertisment? And even if they would, what excactly is being advertised? I have removed the advertisment label, without the label this article is perfectly NPOV. The label is a point-of-view. 143.176.216.29 (talk) 06:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I have been looking into the edit history and noticed that same people did infact put advertisements in the acrticle in the past. Things like mobile-apps and naming irrelevant companies. But this has allready been removed from the current version of the article. The article is constantly under attack, but there are no issues with the current version. 143.176.216.29 (talk) 07:03, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I have asked for a Pending changes protection 143.176.216.29 (talk) 07:15, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Not really about isochronic tones

Most of the article is actually about entrainment. So I'm going to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.2.34.156 (talk) 06:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

general remarks

Isochronic tones are the category of sounds in the same type as what insects and other trilling, whistling tones heard in many species, birds, insects and mammals, in nature. They have a deceptive sound becouse of the base frequency and the isochronic modulation, not being so directly interacting as synchronic sounds (that would be multiple frequencies at once or chords). Importantly they don't tend to exhibit a strong beat wave as happens either combined or from two strongly separated sources (binaural). I am pretty sure the typical "alert, predator" sounds of small gregarious bird species are a special type of isochronic tone, which reduces location within the acoustics of a forest.

Secondly, there is definitely science showing that sound frequencies do have health benefits: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.01.21252717v3 and I'm sure there is many others.