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Reynolds, Simon (July 2001). "Radiohead: Walking on Thin Ice". The Wire. Retrieved 6 November 2023. For a long while during the Kid A sessions, he was totally uninterested in melody, just into exploring texture and rhythm. The result was tracks like Kid A's "Idioteque", which sounds like two-step Garage with a PiL/'Death Disco' twist, but is actually "an attempt to capture that exploding beat sound where you're at the club and the PA's so loud, you know it's doing damage".

Personnel

Where did the personnel info come from? I've searched but haven't found anything that states the instruments that the band plays on each track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.231.124 (talk) 04:46, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2006

Im not sure about this entry. There should be an entry, with Idioteque being one of the central tracks of Kid A. However, the 'Interpretations' section is just one person's opinion. Its too subjective - who knows what its really about? And whilst it is correct to state that Thom ususally dances like a madman to this song, why is it stated that the "crowd sing 'ice age coming, ice age coming" - by that it is implied that this happens in every peformance?--Richj1209 01:05, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, although I'm not for removing the whole section. Wikipedia isn't supposed to have original research, although that's not something that bothers me (unless the research is terrible, and here it's alright). So maybe if we just clean it up or find some sources it'd be better. Folkor 08:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I was wondering if anybody knows what kind of device/instrument/soundboard thing is being used (with all the cables and such) when radiohead plays this live. I think that would be good information to have in this article. See this [1]. PrettyMuchBryce 14:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From what I remember of their Saturday Night Live performance, it looked like an Ondes Martenot. Pimlottc 15:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe you're referring to the RS8000 from Analogue Systems. See: http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/rssystems.htm Bulletproofx 04:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Im up for the interpretation section to be cleansed or removed. Maybe a section about how this one song was the most popular on Kid A could be worth though.

The interpretation section he is referencing WAS removed several months after he made those comments. It was clearly one person's opinion and totally NPOV violation. The replacement "lyrics and interpretation" section contains enough information on how the song has been seen and possible references in it, for a reader to make up their own mind although perhaps falling a bit under original research in the way it combines sources. Also it is unsourced... but all the claims could be verified, unlike with the older interpretation version. 70.21.92.80 08:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thom on the recording of the track

"Idioteque wasn't my idea at all; it was Jonny's. Jonny handed me this DAT that he'd gone into our studio for the afternoon... and, um, the DAT was like 50 minutes long, and I sat there and listened to this 50 minutes. And some of it was just (garbled speech), but then there was this section of about 40 seconds long in the middle of it that was absolute genius, and I just cut that up and that was it.. [and then wrote the song around it]." source: http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13&prgDate=12-Jul-06 Bulletproofx 04:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Now it's labeled as Electronic Music. I think it should be IDM or maybe both. What do you think?

it should definitely not be IDM because it's a pop song, i.e. a SONG, and IDM songs are not usually "songs" in that way. the way the beats are created has an IDM sound, but also a bit of an old school/Grandmaster Flash/Public Enemy style hip hop sound even. and the basic sample comes from electronic music written by an academic "classical" composer. so it would be stupid to group the song under IDM, a movement that 1. doesn't exist anymore 2. never really existed in the eyes of most people who made so called "IDM" 3. has nothing to do with songs with this type of singing and lyrics. I think best to keep it as just electronic music, even though that's incredibly vague. 172.147.119.54 07:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, the Kid A CD's genre in cddb is listed as "newage" not that I personally think anything past the early nineties which is not intentionally "retro" really qualifies as that much abused category. An argument could be made for "retro" intentions with this particular song given the instrumentation. A later live album containing the song used the more conventional "rock" catch-all genre, even worse. RadioHead's CDs bear a diverse set of genre labels, some of which don't map to some MP3 ID3 formats. The ISRC for the original Kid A track is GB-AYE-00-00817 and a live version is GB-AYE-01-01814 (71.233.165.69 03:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

well, that's just ridiculous. CDBB invents whatever genre labels it wants, no more authoritative than a single user of Wikipedia. I'm not saying Kid A has no connection to the sound typically associated with certain examples of what is often called "new age" music - I totally see the connection, from a superficial point of view - it's just that "genre" is about more than that. And in any case THIS song is the furthest thing from new age music- it's actually closer to hip hop!!

All Music is the only thing close to "authoritative" for this- but nothing is really authoritative. we have to allow Wiki editors to determine their own genre labels in an effort to find consensus between all the different reviews and categorizations something has received, vs. the influence it may have had on different genres, vs. way it was marketed, vs. the way its own creators saw it. We can't just go to CDBB which very often is bullshit on genres, or even to All Music which still just reflects one critic for each album. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.168.185.203 (talk) 05:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Chords

The information about the chord progression was mostly inaccurate, so I removed it. Ebmaj7 is not the tonic, the third chord is not an inversion of Ebmaj7 (there is no Eb), and the description of the intervals was wrong. -Bob

listen to it again Bob, there is definitely an Eb in there. Hell, Lansky (the COMPOSER from whom the 4 chords were sampled) even says so. Call it a Gmin (b6) if you like. It's still an EbMaj7 chord. In varying inversions. Having arranged this piece for groups of different sizes i can tell you assuredly there is an Eb in there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.195.190 (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orgin of Lyrics

The claim that the lyrics were drawn from a hat needs a source. I seriously doubt that it is true.

I've found a reference for that. It's from a Thom Yorke interview called "Reflections on Kid A". TheTwoRoads (talk) 01:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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