Talk:Houari Boumédiène

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Spelling

His last name is spelled at least five different ways in the article (Boumediene, Boumedienne, Boumediène, Boumédienne, Boumédiène). Can we have a single agreed spelling? Colonies Chris (talk) 23:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

That reflects the variety of spellings of interwiki links at d:Q310855. I think Commons got it right with Boumediène, which was this article's name until 13 April 2012. That spelling is used in http://www.lesoirdalgerie.com/pdf/2007/01/entretien0107.pdf, an 8-page supplement to Le Soir d'Algérie from January 2007. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree we should agree a single spelling for use throughout to article, and refer in the opening line to the main variations; this is the usual Wikipedia approach and policy (see Alternative names). I would go for Boumediène or Boumédiène, the latter being the title on the French Wikipedia article, and which seems the most likely 'correct' French accenting/spelling. Once we've decided, we can also fix Houari Boumediene Airport, which (mainly) uses this spelling, albeit without bothering with the nicety of accents... Carbonix (talk) 14:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

The situation is complicated by the spelling of the Sufi saint after whom he picked this name: Sidi Boumediene (also Sidi Boumediène & Sidi Boumédiène). Yet, I too think that Boumediène and Boumédiène are the best candidates and that of those two the latter is indeed the one looking more likely. As a plausible form I suggest that in the interest of consistency the article uses Boumédiène after mentioning the other variations in a footnote. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of Islam

@M.Bitton: What you didn't like about this reliable source ?

As you can see in my last edit. I chose a compromise.

Claiming that I'm "here to insert the "Berber" word everywhere, even if it's found in a cookery book" is not a good way to start a discussion. I don't give a sh** about this person (Houari Boumediene). I was browsing through "The Encyclopaedia of Islam, 3rd edition" and I found that he was from an Arabic-speaking family of Berber origins. I asked user:Kansas Bear if this source is convenient for the article, and he said to me that it Looks good.-Aṭlas (talk) 23:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@Aṭlas: I'm aware that you asked @Kansas Bear: beforehand, but I'm also aware that you tried to make him take responsibility for the edit by asking him again whether it's reliable; a strange thing to do considering that, a few months ago, you gave him a lecture on what constitutes a reliable source.

As I already explained in the edit summary, the encyclopaedia of Islam, as its name suggests, is about Islam first and foremost. There's noway it would take precedence over what the likes of Alistair Horne have to say about Boumediene. He is the only historian to have spent time in Algeria and to have had access to both the Algerian and French archives. When he says that nothing is known about Boumediene, that not even his date of birth is known with certainty, you can be pretty sure that's the case. This fact is corroborated by other historians, such as Martin Evans and Thomas M. Leonard.

Why would you ignore this important detail and pay attention to what some obscure person named Bozzo says about Boumediene in an encyclopaedia about Islam ? M.Bitton (talk) 00:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, kansas Bear has more experience than me in finding out the reliability of sources and he have access to "The encyclopaedia of islam" and to "JSTOR". Many other editors are asking him for advice like me (check out his talk page).

"a few months ago, you gave him a lecture on what constitutes a reliable source." This was an application of this explanation. I didn't ignore this details. In my last edit i chose a compromise. The source you want to remove is reliable (the encyclopaedia of Islam). Take the source to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to see opinions of other editors. -Aṭlas (talk) 01:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll do better than that, I'll leave it and add an appropriate template to it. M.Bitton (talk) 01:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay -Aṭlas (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Stop changing what the sources state. M.Bitton (talk) 01:27, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm reading the book now. It really says that ".........with the name of Mohammed Ben Brahim Boukharouba, and that his father was an impoverished small wheat-farmer with seven children, an Arab and a strict Muslim speaking no French", but it's in page 419 !!?-Aṭlas (talk) 01:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)--Kansas Bear (talk) 05:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Everyone just take a step back and take a deep breath. The world is not going to end over this.
As it stands now, I do not have a problem with how the article handles Boumediene's ethnicity issue. Bozzo clearly is writing within her field in contrast to Evans(Contemporary History), or Phillips(journalist).
A google book search of both terms(Arab/Berber) was quite fruitless. The sources presented appear to be the few sources that mention his ethnicity. I would suggest leaving it as is, minus the "dubious" tag. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Very confusing info

• First we're told: Very little is known about Boumédiène's life; even the year of his birth is contested. Most sources state 1932 and Héliopolis as the date and place of his birth, but others say he was born in Guelma on August 23, 1927, or Clauzel near Guelma on August 23, 1927, or August 16, 1925.

• Then we have this: What is known with reasonable certainty of Boumedienne is that he was born in August 23 1932 ....

So, is it certain or not? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The place of his death is also contested. Other sources state that he died in Russia. 160.173.223.104 (talk) 00:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)