Talk:Viannos massacres

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"alleged" atrocities

General Müller was captured by the Red Army in East Prussia and later extradited to Greece. He was tried in Athens along with Bruno Bräuer, commander of the ‘’Festung Kreta’’ between 1942-44, for alleged atrocities on the island.

The title talks about a "Holocaust". The attrocities are well documented and the generals were convicted by a court. Why "alleged"? --Colours gr (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can see what the original writer was getting at - defendants aren't guilty until the trial process is over, so the charges are always alleged - but I've rewritten it (with the same formulation used in Bruno Bräuer). -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What about holocaust of Lefka Ori (Greece)? Also Samaria (way to ocean, a boat is waiting trick)? Any mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.78.63.253 (talk) 23:05, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"alleged" atrocities for the following reasons:

Years ago I laboriously read through all 12,000 pages of the microfilmed 1948 Nürnberg Case 7 (the "Southeast" or "Hostage" Case). The war crimes on Crete were covered but there was no mention of the sort of butchery claimed in the Wiki piece. The Germans DID carry out some anti-partisan operations on Crete, a few small villages were burned down and some hostages taken and later executed by shooting or hanging. The Greek government was an active participant in this trial, which went on for nearly a year, and no evidence of atrocities of the sort described in the Wiki entry were mentioned. Things like those described did occasionally happen in Greece between 1943 and the end of the Greek Civil War, but it was the Greeks who did these things to each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.64.206.41 (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Communist Propaganda

Lots in the article sounds like Communist atrocity propaganda! Proof? --41.150.174.67 (talk) 11:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The request to rename this article to Viannos massacres has been carried out.

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:11, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust of Viannos → Viannos massacres – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH. --Relisted. Hot Stop talk-contribs 18:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC) Wikorefo (talk) 14:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Viannos massacres[1] 2

Holocaust of Viannos[2] 1 but this one source is from Wikipedia itself.

Destruction of Viannos [3] 0

Viannos massacre [4] 0

Massacre of Viannos[5] 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikorefo (talk • contribs) 14:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
English? Holocaust is an English word. --BDD (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move away from Holocaust title. I'm not questioning the validity of using the term, but there is plenty of scope for confusion. "Holocaust of Viannos" makes it sound like a full and distinct genocide - which it wasn't - and this might lead to confusion. Brigade Piron (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Besides Wikipedia there is not even one reference in English naming these events as "Holocaust". In fact the term was first used at Wikipedia and so "massacres" "should be used instead according to search results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikorefo (talk • contribs) 08:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak rename The "Holocaust" title came about as a result of direct translation from the usual Greek name for these events, "Ολοκαύτωμα της Βιάννου". If you google it, any doubts about usage in Greek should vanish, and in Greek, where the word after all comes from, "holocaust" has a more broad application than in English. That it is not used in English is not surprising, since WW2-era Greece is, with a few exceptions where the British were involved, a very neglected matter in the English-language press. Anyhow, the issue is not that important, and given the tendency to reserve "holocaust" for a specific usage in English, I support the move. Constantine ✍ 11:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support because in practice, "Holocaust" is only used in English for THE Holocaust. It's a poor, lazy translation to use "holocaust" here, even if it's a traditional one. Red Slash 01:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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