Talk:Heath Hitler
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white supremacist/neo-Nazi/etc.
[edit]This is a recurring point of contention on various articles, with various people pushing for various descriptors for various people and groups based on various arguments on the "finer points" separating white supremacists, white nationalists, white separatists, racialists, racial realists, neo-Nazis and all the rest.
Wikipedia does NOT take definitions of various groups, examine the subjects actions/behaviors and apply a label. That is original research.
Wikipedia does NOT take the subject's own self-applied label (in this case, the subject calls himself a "Nazi", not a "neo-Nazi"). The subject is not an independent reliable source for much about themselves. While in strictly limited cases we will use the subject's own statements for non-controversial information (for example uncontested birth dates and such), that clearly does not apply here. The subject is not independent of himself and he is not a reliable source for much of anything.
In this case, I looked through the first five listed sources. Three of them said "self-described Nazi" (more on that later). One, now cited for it, says of the subject and his wife "both white supremacists."[1] I'll give a quick look at the rest of the sources and see what they say. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Wow, that's an awful lot of youtube references. I'll have to get back to that...
- Other than the questionable youtube sources, here's what I've found:
- white supremacist: Jezebel, news.com.au, USA Today
- self-identified/self-professed Nazi: News Center Maine, news.com.au, USA Today
- "I'm a Nazi": HuffPost, nbcphiladelphia
- considers himself a Nazi leader: mycentraljersey
- pro-Nazi: News Center Maine, mycentraljersey
- neo-Nazi: trenchreynolds?
- Nazi: trenchreynolds?, nj.com
- 'Nazi dad': lehighvalleylive, pennlive, nj.com, mycentraljersey, USA Today
- Nazi sympathizing: Jezebel
- racist leanings: Jezebel
- IMO, "white supremacist" is a commonly used description and well sourced here.
- "Nazi" is certainly odd -- typically "neo-Nazi" is a descriptor -- and self-described is being used so often because it is odd.
- Finally, "Nazi dad" seems to have had some common use and should be included, based on its commonality.
- Wrapping it us, I think we have "sometimes called 'Nazi dad'" and "white supreacist, self-described Nazi".
- I'll let this sit for a bit for any comments before changing the article. - SummerPhDv2.0 04:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and made the change.[2] - SummerPhDv2.0 02:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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[edit]"Honszlynn Hinler" this is totally surreal. What is this supposed to be, Hungarian? 2003:C0:DF3C:5800:34D2:22AB:F36D:E542 (talk) 10:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)