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In their respective entries, haplogroup R1b are being listed as the most common in Europe.

Haplogroup K is most common in Melanesia and specific polynesian countries like Tuvalu.

That is because Haplogroup R1b (and the whole of Haplogroup R for that matter) is derived from Haplogroup K. Haplogroup R1b is ultimately a subclade, what one might call a subtype or a descendant, of Haplogroup K. Thus, it is technically not incorrect (albeit somewhat imprecise) to describe any Y-chromosome that belongs to Haplogroup R1b as also belonging to Haplogroup K, because Haplogroup K subsumes or "contains" all of Haplogroup R1b. It is correct to say that Haplogroup R1b is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among modern Europeans and European-Americans, but it is also correct (though imprecise) to say that Haplogroup K is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among modern Europeans and European-Americans.
The reverse, however, would not be true: Haplogroup K is not a subclade of Haplogroup R1b, so one could not say that Haplogroup R1b is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among the Han Chinese, for example, although another subclade of Haplogroup K, namely Haplogroup O3, actually is the most common haplogroup among the Han Chinese.
If one desires to find the genetic equivalent of the mathematician's least common denominator between Europeans and Han Chinese, then one has to trace the genealogy as far back as the progenitor of Haplogroup K; K-M9. The majority of both Europeans and Han Chinese (haplogroup L) are direct patrilineal descendants of the prehistoric male ancestor who gave birth to Haplogroups; K-M9, Paragroup K*, descendant; L (that T descended from), and also Kx(lt) where major world populations descended from; M (K1 to K4), NO(N and O), P (Q and R), and S. The question of the region in which this prehistoric progenitor of Haplogroup K lived is still a matter of debate among scientists, but the general area that includes Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, North India, and southern Central Asia seems to be the best candidate according to current knowledge. Some have proposed the alternative hypothesis of an expansion of Haplogroup K and its derivatives out of the region of Melanesia and Polynesia (K-M9 and paragroup K) proto polynesian countries like Tuvalu (K-M9), Toke-Lau (K-M9), Futuna (subpolynesia) (K-M9), and Tonga (Km9 and especially M-P256 lineage of K) and Islands close to Savaii (K-M9 lower extent). The origins are more generally, Sundaland) based on the extreme diversity of Haplogroup K Y-chromosomes in that region. See clads of K-M9 and descendant haplogroups of K-m9; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9.
Please consult the ISOGG's 2006 phylogenetic tree of human Y-chromosomes for more information and a graphical illustration of the phylogenetic relationships between the various haplogroups. Ebizur 11:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is obviously outdated since 2008 and should be removed! HJJHolm (talk) 06:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

K2 haplogroup, Thomas Jefferson

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Interesting that Thomas Jefferson was confirmed to be descendant Y Haplogroup T. There was never a founding lineage of K Y DNA in Britain. Haplogroup K is completely absent from Britain which means that if individuals are found with a type of Haplogroup K that they got it from a much later mixture with Mediterraneans like Romans who came all throughout Europe, and it is there in the Mediterranean that the middle eastern ancestors brought Haplogroup K into some places in europe close by. Britain does not have any Haplogroup Q or K Y DNA but they have very high R lineages. Britain is descended from the much later R lineages due to the the transformation of Mongolian Siberians with people in the Caucasus near the black sea. Mongolian Siberians mixed with a group of early middle eastern's who came into Russia creating P and the R lineages as all the Israelite and Arab peoples of the old testament were A and O blood group. This group of Siberian mongolians migrated from Russia to Europe. Q was another mongoloid mutation of y haplogroup P that came into Europe. The migrations of Mediterranean's K lineage and the Siberians more ancient migration bringing the descendant Q lineage were two separate migrations and most Europeans descend from P Y DNA from Siberia mongoloid mixture past the Caucasus mountains by the black sea. Recent migrations of siberian mongoloids has also brought Q into Europe from Northern European countries (Nordic people) who have had allot of Mongolian mixture. Uygurs in Xingjiang China have some Turkish descent and appear to be descended from some of these same ancestors coming out of Northern Europe but with an opposing mixture with middle eastern people like turkish, assyrian and iranian people as proven in there genetics that also have European origins but also the semetic races mentioned that are not in Europe's migration including Afghanistan. The Mediterranean is the origin of Haplogroup K in Europe and in those countries. It seems today that the most dense populations of K2 are among Iraqis? Are there any other famous individuals whose Haplogroup is known? Nagelfar 18:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gazzzz 22:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If K4 has been renamed to K2, it MUST not show up in the list as "K4 (P261, P263) Found in Balinese[13]". Please correct this self-contradiction!! HJJHolm (talk) 07:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The former K4 (P60) is now K2 (P60), I haven't found any information about it. The former K2 (M70) is now T (M70) and K4 (P261, P263) is new. --Maulucioni (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2006 ISOGG to 2008 ISOGG

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The Y-tree on this page is out of date. Nagelfar (talk) 22:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serbs T

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Percic study gave 7.08% for K*(xP)

  • K*(xP) = T + (Markers that never show up in the Balkans) -hence she didn't feel the need to test for any of them-

"Haplogroup K-M9, and its descendant haplogroup Paragroup K* is found in Polynesia, Melanesia, Australia."

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I think the lead could do with some work as this is confusing. I was under the impression mutation M9 covered most the planet.

(I was directed here from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup#Groups_with_mutation_M9 -> Haplogroup K which redirects to this page. The subgroups chart here at least shows everyone descended from M9, but the article itself makes its reach seem quite small). Someone with greater expertise than me should do the job... Harshmustard (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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