Talk:HMS Pandora (1779)

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This will need sourcing before it can be re-added: "The voyage of HMS Pandora to capture the mutineers gave rise to the expression "Bounty-hunting" now comes to mean a capture of fugitive motivated by a reward (bounty) of some sort." OED describes the term as a North American usage, and quotes of usage are all 20th-century. Stan 15:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

HMS Pandora (1779) - supposedly it's voyage in pursuit of HMS Bounty gave rise to the expression "bounty-hunting". (according to one contributor) I doubt this very much; the Pandoras were not paid to do this (except what they received as wages for being members of a regular RN ship's crew) Many of the crew happened to have received 'bounty' payments for joining the RN during the so-called "Spanish armament of 1790" (a recruitment and general fleet mobilisation in anticipation of a war against Spain) It just so happened that some of these recruits ended up in the Pandora - they were doing as they had been ordered, not because they hoped to get some financial gain for bringing back the Bounty mutineers to stand trial. PGes (talk) 11:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree here. The word bounty (= generosity) is 13th century, from 12th century French: bounté, bonté. ChrisJBenson (talk) 06:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Lead Section

The lead section is meant to be a short but self-contained summary of the whole article. In this case though it appears the chronologically first portion of the article was just moved up before the TOC (so that the lead section says nothing after June 1791, and the main article contains nothing before then). It should be moved down into its own section and a new lead section written that summarises everything (sorry, I just don't have time to do this myself) Quietbritishjim (talk) 10:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates Pandora historic shipwreck site

Please note that the coordinates in this article need fixing as:

11 deg 23' S

143 deg 59' E

this is the approx position as gazetted under the Australian Historic Shipwrecks Act 1976 All water and seabed in a 500meter radius from the intersection of this latitude and longitude are protected under the provisions of Historic Shipwrecks Act 1976

Done --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Legacy

The Pandora Inn, Restronguet Creek, Mylor, Cornwall, UK, is a pub that was named after HMS Pandora, and still features a very old model of the HMS Pandora in a display case. Captain Edwards (of its final voyage) is reputed to have owned the Inn. Is this worthy of inclusion here? Information from personal knowledge, and this web site: http:/ /www.pandorainn.com/history.asp ChrisJBenson (talk) 03:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

There is indeed an old model of HMS Pandora as well as a figurehead that is supposed to come from the original -i.e. built in 1778/9 - HMS Pandora, or is modeled on this 'original'. Research carried out by a Queensland Museum curator some years ago indicated that the story linking Capt Edwards RN Ret'd to this Inn is apocryphal and that the figurehead is of modern vintage (1960s)(PGes 8 Aug 2010) In the 1850s the Inn was locally known as 'The Coach House'!

I defer to the prior efforts of "a Queensland Museum curator". Just that there is an old model in a pub named after the HMS Pandora (on the other side of the world from her final resting place) may not be sufficiently relevant for the main article. They do have good beer there, though! ChrisJBenson (talk) 05:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Conflicting Information

The wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty has information about the Bounty mutiny which is: "Four of the men from the Bounty came on board soon after its arrival, and ten more were arrested within a few weeks."

This page has: "Five of the men from the Bounty came on board voluntarily within 24 hours of the frigate's arrival, and nine more were arrested by armed shore parties a few weeks later after fleeing to the mountains to avoid capture." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billyash (talk • contribs) 09:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

It's a little confusing, I've added some cited detail here. There were fourteen Bounty men on Tahiti when Pandora arrived. Three surrendered themselves voluntarily almost immediately, Joseph Coleman, Peter Heywood and George Stewart. A fourth man was captured by a search party the following day, Richard Skinner. Three more men were apprehended after being chased into the mountains, James Morrison, Charles Norman and Thomas Ellison, and were brought back to Pandora six days after her arrival. At some point during this chase, Michael Byrn (or Byrne) came aboard, but it's not recorded whether he was captured or handed himself in. He is usually classed as a loyalist, so he may have given himself up. Searches were made for the next week and a half, and brought in Hilbrandt and McIntosh on Saturday, and Burkett, Millward, Sumner and Muspratt on Sunday. So of the 14 men, at least three came on board voluntarily, four if you assume Byrne did as well, though he was a little later. Ten were rounded up by the search parties, at least a number of whom actively tried to evade capture. It becomes difficult when assessing who gave up, who had to be captured, who was a mutineer and who was a loyalist. McIntosh and Norman both had been classed as loyalist by Bligh, and were acquitted at the later trial, but both tried to escape and hide. Heywood was suspected of having been a mutineer and was convicted as such at the trial, but gave himself up at the beginning. Benea (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

John Brown

The article states that John Brown sailed from Portsmouth on the Pandora. This would have been impossible since he was on Tahiti with the mutineers. James Galloway (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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